Garchen rinpoche Yamantaka Empowerment Livestream

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Postby Miroku » Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:42 pm

Yes, the fact that they are giving these teachings online is a great blessing. IMO I think it works, although to feel some "extra vibrations" it is always better to be at the place and not in your pyjamas at your home. :)
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Postby Soma999 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:50 am

People make a big deal about empowerment, but no one can say if someone really has an empowerment. You can come at 50 empowerments ceremony, does that mean you are initiated ?

From personal experience, i had a huge experience that happened while watching a master teaching in a video, and the video was recorder years ago. It produced deep dreams, and then understanding of the teachngs like if something opened from the inside. At this time i did not even knew the name of this Guru.

So, from personal experience, i can say empowerment can come through videos, and even by people you have never met. If you practice, cultivate pure intention, you are a recipient, and if you are empty of the pretention to know everything, then something can come and fill you. You receive then insights, dreams, visions... you are being empowered.

Some other persons had similar experiences. Even received complete teachings from a distance. It looks strange, but that kind of things happen also.

If a Guru can touch only 20 persons, it's very few. Some Guru can touch people from all over the world through their deep radiance. If they realised the Dharmakaya, what is the problem ? They can be everywhere, and for real Guru, they can even embody a presence that shines in the heart of all. Then, what is the difficulty for them to meet you ? You just have to open the door of love, compassion, practice and integrity.

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Postby Miroku » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:58 pm

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Postby Miroku » Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:02 pm

Is Yamantaka's Blazing Razor of Extreme Repelling the sadhana that Garchen rinpoche will give today?
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Postby dawnbird » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:23 pm

I'm watching the empowerment now, and they're chanting the mantra. Can someone PM me the proper spelling?

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Postby Lhasa » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:15 am

Miroku wrote:Is Yamantaka's Blazing Razor of Extreme Repelling the sadhana that Garchen rinpoche will give today?


Yes

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Postby Lhasa » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:27 am

Did anyone catch the time/date of the siddhi empowerment at the end of the drubchen? I saw it somewhere but they didn't say whether or not it would be streamed.

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Postby Miroku » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:34 am

From their FB page:

Yamantaka Empowerment & Siddhi Blessing:
FEBRUARY 18TH, @ 2PM
The empowerment for Yamantaka is open for those who would like to attend. It will begin promptly at 2PM MST, at GBI.
For those not attending the Druphen, once the empowerment is bestowed you must leave the mandala as soon as the empowerment is finished and will be escorted in the process.
FEBRUARY 25TH, @ 2PM
The Siddhi Empowerment for Yamantaka is also open to those who would like to receive this blessing.
If you will be joining us for the Siddhi Empowerment you will meet at the GBI gate @ 1.15pm, please arrive early. We will escort you up to the temple. Once the blessing is received we will promptly escort you back down the hill to the gate.
We will promptly lock the gate after all cars are in, no late entries allowed.
For those interested in coming to the main empowerment and siddhi empowerment please email the office with your name to: questions@garchen.net
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Postby pael » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:11 am

When did FEBRUARY 18TH livestream end? How long it were?
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Postby Miroku » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:48 pm

I am not sure but I think it was about 3 hours with the lung of the sadhana. And about 1hour or 1hour and half with the empowerment, I think.
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Postby Grigoris » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:06 pm

Soma999 wrote:People make a big deal about empowerment, but no one can say if someone really has an empowerment. You can come at 50 empowerments ceremony, does that mean you are initiated ?
Big deal? Empowerment is Vajrayana. And yes, if you take an empowerment it means you are initiated into the mandala of the specific deity. If you take 50 empowerments... 50 deities.

You are also overlooking the rather important fact that for you to watch a recording of an empowerment, somebody has to have given and received an actual empowerment.
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Postby Ayu » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:11 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Soma999 wrote:People make a big deal about empowerment, but no one can say if someone really has an empowerment. You can come at 50 empowerments ceremony, does that mean you are initiated ?
Big deal? Empowerment is Vajrayana. And yes, if you take an empowerment it means you are initiated into the mandala of the specific deity. If you take 50 empowerments... 50 deities.

Except when you sit there unconcious, fainted, completly drunk or you wear dark sunglasses and earplugs.
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Postby Grigoris » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:17 pm

Ayu wrote:Except when you sit there unconcious, fainted, completly drunk or you wear dark sunglasses and earplugs.
Not if it is these sunglasses:

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Postby Lhasa » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:21 pm

Grigoris wrote:
Soma999 wrote:People make a big deal about empowerment, but no one can say if someone really has an empowerment. You can come at 50 empowerments ceremony, does that mean you are initiated ?
Big deal? Empowerment is Vajrayana. And yes, if you take an empowerment it means you are initiated into the mandala of the specific deity. If you take 50 empowerments... 50 deities.

You are also overlooking the rather important fact that for you to watch a recording of an empowerment, somebody has to have given and received an actual empowerment.


What does it mean to be initiated into the mandala of a deity?

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Postby Malcolm » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:30 pm

Lhasa wrote:
What does it mean to be initiated into the mandala of a deity?


Really?
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Postby Lhasa » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:51 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Lhasa wrote:
What does it mean to be initiated into the mandala of a deity?


Really?


Being an online-only practitioner definitely has a down side. Most online teachers teach their old-timers, not new-comers, so some important points can get skipped now and then. This is one.

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Postby dzogchungpa » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:53 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Lhasa wrote:
What does it mean to be initiated into the mandala of a deity?


Really?


Well, you said that, according to the Nyingma, a Shitro empowerment suffices for any deity while the Sarma schools do not accept this, so presumably it is not completely straightforward.
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Postby Malcolm » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:57 pm

Lhasa wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Lhasa wrote:
What does it mean to be initiated into the mandala of a deity?


Really?


Being an online-only practitioner definitely has a down side. Most online teachers teach their old-timers, not new-comers, so some important points can get skipped now and then. This is one.


I explained this to you a long time ago when there was some discussion of what it means to take an empowerment.

In short, the guru generates himself as the mandala of the deity, and then generates the mandala of the deity in front of himself. The latter mandala is the one from which one takes the empowerment. The teacher guides one to the doors of the mandala, and one requests admission. Then, one is allowed inside the mandala and shown all of the details of the mandala. This happens before the vase, secret, prajña's pristine consciousness and word empowerments happen. When the empowerment is over, the guru dissolves both mandalas. (This is why it is impossible to receive empowerments from recordings).
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Postby Malcolm » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:58 pm

dzogchungpa wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Lhasa wrote:
What does it mean to be initiated into the mandala of a deity?


Really?


Well, you said that, according to the Nyingma, a Shitro empowerment suffices for any deity while the Sarma schools do not accept this, so presumably it is not completely straightforward.


This statement has no relevance to the subject.
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Postby Palzang Jangchub » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:18 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Lhasa wrote:What does it mean to be initiated into the mandala of a deity?

Really?

In the vast majority of the torwangs (vase empowerments) I attended over the years, entering the deity's mandala or being initiated into it wasn't mentioned hardly at all, if ever. Garchen Rinpoche in particular tends to emphasize visualizing the seed-syllable or deity itself over the more elaborate visualization of the entire mandala with the deity on a throne inside the palace. Only during the wangchens did mandalas really get mentioned frequently and prominently. So, weird as this question may seem to those who are more knowledgeable, there's a reason for it.

Lhasa, traditionally speaking, mandalas featured prominently in the process of tantric empowerments. Either the mandala would be emanated by the lama through siddhi, or it would be physically constructed. Back in Guru Rinpoche's day, mandalas were even used as a means of divination to determine who your yidam deity was (a flower was cast onto the mandala of the Kagyé, and whichever deity it landed on was your yidam).

I can't speak for other lineages, but in Drikung I've noticed that mandalas are still employed with Great (i.e. more elaborate) Empowerments, but often omitted for time and other reasons during the shorter empowerments we tend to get these days in the Americas and Europe. Even the descriptions during the visualization of the empowerment itself, usually only the deity/deities are mentioned, and not the boundary of the mandala and the gates of the palace. Probably has something to do with the empowerment texts being used and the translation.

Once we've been given and actually received an empowerment, it is said we've been initiated into or entered into that deity's mandala. That's a traditional way of speaking about it. We've been let into the mandala of the deity and are part of the inner circle with our fellow vajra brothers and sisters, whereas the uninitiated are outside the boundaries of the mandala, and certain things shouldn't be shared with them for fear of breaking our samaya and/or being the cause of them giving rise to wrong views.
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