Dzongsar Khyentse Losar Resounding + Lung Livestream Feb 26/27

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Dzongsar Khyentse Losar Resounding + Lung Livestream Feb 26/27

Post by dzogchungpa » Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:43 am

http://www.siddharthasintent.org/about- ... -on-losar/
During the Resounding, Rinpoche will be giving the oral transmissions of: Kagyu Ngondro, Longchen Nyingthik Ngondro, and Chetsun Nyingthik Ngondro.
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Post by Boomerang » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:37 am

What is the significance of Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche giving those lungs? Would it make everyone who watches the livestream his ngondro students?
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Post by dzogchungpa » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:17 pm

Boomerang wrote:What is the significance of Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche giving those lungs? Would it make everyone who watches the livestream his ngondro students?
Well, I'm not an expert on the topic but I think the idea is that, traditionally, before beginning to practice a ngondro one should receive the lung and having done so, one may begin to practice it without further empowerment or whatever. Perhaps not all schools agree on this, I don't know. It's not clear what you mean by saying that someone who receives a lung in this way from DJKR would be his ngondro student. Personally, I would not say that unless you had actually received instruction from him about ngondro. Perhaps he will say something about it doing the program.
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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:39 pm

I remember reading a surprising blurb from DJKR about ngondro without having really chosen a guru. The gist of his advice was that if people have not yet chosen a guru, but earnestly want to be begin ngondro, they should not be dissuaded. Maybe related, maybe not.
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Post by dzogchungpa » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:19 pm

Does anyone by any chance have a Chetsun Nyingthik Ngondro text, Tibetan and/or English, handy?
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Post by Boomerang » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:14 pm

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Boomerang wrote:What is the significance of Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche giving those lungs? Would it make everyone who watches the livestream his ngondro students?
Well, I'm not an expert on the topic but I think the idea is that, traditionally, before beginning to practice a ngondro one should receive the lung and having done so, one may begin to practice it without further empowerment or whatever. Perhaps not all schools agree on this, I don't know. It's not clear what you mean by saying that someone who receives a lung in this way from DJKR would be his ngondro student. Personally, I would not say that unless you had actually received instruction from him about ngondro. Perhaps he will say something about it doing the program.
What I meant was, since there's no Vajrayana without a guru, he would have to be the guru, right? The focus of guru yoga, the person you seek out after you're finished ngondro, etc.
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Post by dzogchungpa » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:27 pm

Boomerang wrote:What I meant was, since there's no Vajrayana without a guru, he would have to be the guru, right? The focus of guru yoga, the person you seek out after you're finished ngondro, etc.
Well, I'm not really qualified to comment on this. If you trust DJKR, then per JD's remark, you should be able to begin practicing the ngondro after receiving the lung. As far as the focus of guru yoga, presumably you can just use Guru Rinpoche, but again don't take my word for it. Anyway, if you really want to practice Vajrayana you will need to make a connection with a guru and follow his or her advice, not mine. :smile:
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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:55 pm

Doesn't answer the specific question , but:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/138223141/Dz ... om-podcast
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Post by Boomerang » Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:45 pm

dzogchungpa wrote:
Boomerang wrote:What I meant was, since there's no Vajrayana without a guru, he would have to be the guru, right? The focus of guru yoga, the person you seek out after you're finished ngondro, etc.
Well, I'm not really qualified to comment on this. If you trust DJKR, then per JD's remark, you should be able to begin practicing the ngondro after receiving the lung. As far as the focus of guru yoga, presumably you can just use Guru Rinpoche, but again don't take my word for it. Anyway, if you really want to practice Vajrayana you will need to make a connection with a guru and follow his or her advice, not mine. :smile:
Before today, I thought that receiving lung meant you were allowed to read a tantric text, but to practice the tantra you also need empowerment and instruction. But is ngondro different? I don't know for sure, but they had the announcement that he was giving lung in bold, so it seemed important. Thanks for your help.
Johnny Dangerous wrote:Doesn't answer the specific question , but:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/138223141/Dz ... om-podcast
I had been looking for that transcript for a while. Thank you so much!
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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:57 pm

IDK, i've always assumed this varies, as for sure I know of practices where I've been told all that's really "needed" is a lung. Like pretty much everything, I don't think there is a unified answer..ya do what your teacher(s) say(s);).
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Post by amanitamusc » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:42 pm

:shrug:

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Post by dzogchungpa » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:43 pm

amanitamusc wrote::shrug:
Well, it was live. I don't know what happened :crying:
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Post by Boomerang » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:48 pm

It came back on for a few seconds and it seemed like everyone was just sitting there listening to music. I'm happy that they're postponing the resounding until the livestream is working properly for everyone.
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Post by Miroku » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:44 am

Does anyone have the Chetsum nyingthik ngöndro, or atleast a tip where it could be found. I have noticed that there is hardly any info on this ngöndro nor on the cycle of teachings as whole.
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Post by Punya » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:05 am

Boomerang wrote:What is the significance of Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche giving those lungs? Would it make everyone who watches the livestream his ngondro students?
I'm no expert either but my guess Is that the lungs are for Rinpoche's existing students and that the ngondro of an individual student would be supervised by one of his senior students.

Perhaps the offer of the lungs has come about due to the demise of the Dharma Das program.

Rather than acting on our idle speculation, I suggest contacting resounding2017@84000.co.
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Post by amanitamusc » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:16 am

Miroku wrote:Does anyone have the Chetsum nyingthik ngöndro, or atleast a tip where it could be found. I have noticed that there is hardly any info on this ngöndro nor on the cycle of teachings as whole.
Mirror of Wisdom has the whole Chetsun Nyingthig on DVD from Khempo Jigphun.

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Post by amanitamusc » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:19 am

Who were the two Lama's he received these three Ngondro's from?

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Post by amanitamusc » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:25 am

Punya wrote:
Boomerang wrote:What is the significance of Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche giving those lungs? Would it make everyone who watches the livestream his ngondro students?
I'm no expert either but my guess Is that the lungs are for Rinpoche's existing students and that the ngondro of an individual student would be supervised by one of his senior students.

Perhaps the offer of the lungs has come about due to the demise of the Dharma Das program.

Rather than acting on our idle speculation, I suggest contacting resounding2017@84000.co.
He said nothing remotely close to your guess .

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Post by Punya » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:59 am

amanitamusc wrote:
Punya wrote:
Boomerang wrote:What is the significance of Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche giving those lungs? Would it make everyone who watches the livestream his ngondro students?
I'm no expert either but my guess Is that the lungs are for Rinpoche's existing students and that the ngondro of an individual student would be supervised by one of his senior students.

Perhaps the offer of the lungs has come about due to the demise of the Dharma Das program.

Rather than acting on our idle speculation, I suggest contacting resounding2017@84000.co.
He said nothing remotely close to your guess .
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