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Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by DNS » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:19 pm

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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by Nicholas Weeks » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:43 pm

David,

Not clear why there is still an Engaged section here, when there is an entire new site so dedicated?
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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by DNS » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:54 pm

It became problematic over at DWT (Theravada), but apparently not so much here.

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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by Nicholas Weeks » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:44 pm

DNS wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:54 pm
It became problematic over at DWT (Theravada), but apparently not so much here.
What 'became problematic'? If you mean the Engaged section here is no problem here, then why extend the invitation here to leave & go to the new site?
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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by Fortyeightvows » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:49 pm

I nominate greg to be moderator of the new forum!

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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by DNS » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:52 pm

Nicholas Weeks wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:44 pm
What 'became problematic'? If you mean the Engaged section here is no problem here, then why extend the invitation here to leave & go to the new site?
Where did I say "leave"? One can post on all forums, if interested.

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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by Nicholas Weeks » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:54 pm

DNS wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:52 pm
Nicholas Weeks wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:44 pm
What 'became problematic'? If you mean the Engaged section here is no problem here, then why extend the invitation here to leave & go to the new site?
Where did I say "leave"? One can post on all forums, if interested.
Where did I say 'leave permanently''? One must 'leave' to sign up there.

Still makes little sense to me. (But that happens to me more often now.)
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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by DNS » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:57 pm

Nicholas Weeks wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:54 pm
One must 'leave' to sign up there.
Not at all. I was logged in here when I signed up there. I didn't "leave" here at all. :lol:
Still makes little sense to me. (But that happens to me more often now.)
You don't have to join.

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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by Nicholas Weeks » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:19 am

DNS wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:57 pm

You don't have to join.
:rolling:
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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by Grigoris » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:50 am

DNS wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:54 pm
It became problematic over at DWT (Theravada), but apparently not so much here.
I don't think it became problematic at all over at DWT. No more so than here.
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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by Grigoris » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:50 am

Fortyeightvows wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:49 pm
I nominate greg to be moderator of the new forum!
Careful what you wish for! ;)
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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by Dan74 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:42 am

Grigoris wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:50 am
DNS wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:54 pm
It became problematic over at DWT (Theravada), but apparently not so much here.
I don't think it became problematic at all over at DWT. No more so than here.
I disagree. Extreme material was being posted on a Dhamma site and the polarisation and acrimony between the "two sides" saw no sign of abating.

As much as I really dislike shutting down discussions, that one was largely a trainwreck.. It was mercy killing.

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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by Grigoris » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:58 am

Dan74 wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:42 am
Grigoris wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:50 am
DNS wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:54 pm
It became problematic over at DWT (Theravada), but apparently not so much here.
I don't think it became problematic at all over at DWT. No more so than here.
I disagree. Extreme material was being posted on a Dhamma site and the polarisation and acrimony between the "two sides" saw no sign of abating.

As much as I really dislike shutting down discussions, that one was largely a trainwreck.. It was mercy killing.
It's one thing to shut down a particular discussion and another thing to sweep all discussion under a rug.
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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by Dan74 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:20 pm

For sure, but in fairness, I saw little good and some serious nastiness in there. Mind you, I often enjoyed binocular's fiercely independent and intelligent perspective. She is a thorn in everyone's side, that one! :) :applause: Paul, the Admin, also seems to be more interested in his version of alt-right now than the Dhamma, which is not the look a Buddhist forum needs, IMO. I suspect the change will be good for everybody.

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Post by boda » Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:23 pm

Dan74 wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:20 pm
Paul, the Admin, also seems to be more interested in his version of alt-right now than the Dhamma, which is not the look a Buddhist forum needs, IMO.
Focusing too much on mere appearance may lead to a shallow practice.

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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by anjali » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:02 pm

Dan74 wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:20 pm
For sure, but in fairness, I saw little good and some serious nastiness in there.
That's a shame. It seems a learning opportunity was missed. I wonder whatever happened to the art of disagreeing respectfully? :shrug: (I've been reading a couple of very nice books on civility by P.M. Forni.)
Mind you, I often enjoyed binocular's fiercely independent and intelligent perspective. She is a thorn in everyone's side, that one! :) :applause: Paul, the Admin, also seems to be more interested in his version of alt-right now than the Dhamma, which is not the look a Buddhist forum needs, IMO. I suspect the change will be good for everybody.
I suspect DWE will need moderators who are skillful at mediating conflict!
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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by Queequeg » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:49 pm

anjali wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:02 pm
Dan74 wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:20 pm
For sure, but in fairness, I saw little good and some serious nastiness in there.
That's a shame. It seems a learning opportunity was missed. I wonder whatever happened to the art of disagreeing respectfully? :shrug: (I've been reading a couple of very nice books on civility by P.M. Forni.)
I don't know if you are familiar with Dan Carlin - he was a pioneer in podcasting and did a regular current events commentary podcast called "Common Sense" for years. He quit abruptly shortly after Trump was elected, without much explanation. He recently released a new pod cast to explain why he stopped and basically said he saw no point in discussing American politics given the fact that everyone from the government to the private citizen is incapable of having a civil discourse on anything. The sides have settled into camps that no longer communicate with each other, and suggested the US might be in a cold civil war, speculating that the country might actually be closer to breaking up than anyone realizes.

Why would Buddhist discussion forums be different?

Oh, I don't know, because nominally we all follow the Buddha?

The decision to form the new forum seems to be part of the general trend.
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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by Coëmgenu » Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:18 pm

I don't really understand the branding of the new forum.

All of the alt-righters from DWT can't post in the News sections, etc, anymore, so the idea is that they can go to this new site to chit-chat there and DWT can try to get back to being mostly about Theravāda.

But, it has "self-care" as one of its subforums. I just don't get that.
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There absolutely are no things, nowhere and none, that arise anew, neither out of themselves, nor out of non-self, nor out of both, nor at random.
सर्वं तथ्यं न वा तथ्यं तथ्यं चातथ्यम् एव च नैवातथ्यं नैव तथ्यम् एतद् बुद्धानुशासनम्
All is so, or all is not so, both so and not so, neither so nor not so. This is the Buddha's teaching.

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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by anjali » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:18 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:49 pm
I don't know if you are familiar with Dan Carlin - he was a pioneer in podcasting and did a regular current events commentary podcast called "Common Sense" for years. He quit abruptly shortly after Trump was elected, without much explanation. He recently released a new pod cast to explain why he stopped and basically said he saw no point in discussing American politics given the fact that everyone from the government to the private citizen is incapable of having a civil discourse on anything. The sides have settled into camps that no longer communicate with each other, and suggested the US might be in a cold civil war, speculating that the country might actually be closer to breaking up than anyone realizes.
Interesting. I'm not familiar with Carlin, but I can easily see why he came to the conclusion he did.
Why would Buddhist discussion forums be different?

Oh, I don't know, because nominally we all follow the Buddha?

The decision to form the new forum seems to be part of the general trend.
Indeed. My Hindu friends have also noticed similar divisions in their community. It seems to cut across religious boundaries. I've heard stories of long time friends parting ways over current political issues. And when they have to occasionally work together for temple events, the conversations are just vapid chit-chat--anything to avoid possible conflict. As the old saying goes, the two topics to be avoided at the dinner table are politics and religion.

I haven't been following what's been going on over at DWT, so have no specific comments on the problems they've been facing. As a general comment, one would think and hope that, of all traditions, Buddhists would be best able to work with their emotions. After all, skillfully working with the afflictions is kinda one of the basic things we're about, and the crucible of a heated debate provides an ideal container for exposing those afflictions.

Anyway, hopefully those who participate on DWE can respectfully engage their opponents while discussing and debating engaged Buddhism.
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Re: Dharma Wheel (Engaged)

Post by Nicholas Weeks » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:33 pm

Politics, however they make the intellect active, sagacious, and inventive, within a certain sphere, generally extinguish its thirst for universal truth, paralyze sentiment and imagination, corrupt the simplicity of the mind, destroy that confidence in human virtue which lies at the foundation of philanthropy and generous sacrifices, and end in cold and prudent selfishness.
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Politics, as a practice, whatever its professions, has always been the systematic organization of hatreds.
Henry Brooks Adams (1838-1918)
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