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Now, would you say that coffee is an intoxicant that we need to stay away from? And how about psych drugs like antidepressants for instance?
I am seriously trying to quit coffee. I noticed some good benefits in the past when I quit coffee. I am finding it hard at times because of the addiction that I created by drinking coffee but I am determined to quit.
What do the rest of you have to say on this subject?
But if coffee's off the reservation, I'm not sure I can cope.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?
2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.
3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.
4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.
1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"
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Whatever the precept actually is (and I say that because there are different versions of it in different lineages), my suggestion would be to take it as it is written.
Liberation in the Palm of your hand~Kyabje Pabongkha Rinpoche.
If you're interested in why alcohol was banned I wrote a little article on it using the Vinaya:
https://sites.google.com/site/dharmadep ... rohibition
If you have developed some negative health effects you have my sympathy. I did not like giving up coffee. I was surprised that after about 5 years when I had recovered from my injuries I could drink it again.
IIRC some Buddhists believe so, but the majority opinion says its fine. Of course, if you're addicted to something you should quit.Ervin wrote:Now, would you say that coffee is an intoxicant that we need to stay away from?
Medicines don't count among intoxicants. However, I personally believe anything that changes the mind should be avoided unless it's required (e.g. suicidal desires).Ervin wrote:And how about psych drugs like antidepressants for instance?
-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra
"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."
-Ra Lotsawa, All-pervading Melodious Drumbeats
On the other hand, if you perceive that addiction to caffeine is causing you problems, then I would recommend giving it up, precept or no precept. In the Mahayana tradition, you should consider yourself a bodhisattva. Anything that harms yourself is harming a bodhisattva.
Om mani padme hum
...to refrain from intoxicants or any abuse of the senses which are the occasion for carelessness...
It is in the carelessness caused by these intoxicants that we harm others (and ourselves) and as such I prefer to refrain from them.
Coffee, for me, is not on that list! In fact, if I don't have my morning dose(s), I may cause much harm to those around me!
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell
i'd be very curious to see what list there is of "acceptable medications" for respective ailments that are permitted. i'm know how caffein works, and i've questioned what the O/P is asking, years ago. i can only imagine the uproar if dharma centers all over the world switched to decaf! quitting coffee is hard, but not as hard as cigarettes, good luck ervin!
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