TAG! You're It!Nighthawk wrote:Waheguru can also be said to be those things. I googled the "all creating king" aka Samantabhadra/primordial Buddha and I was pretty shocked the read the similarities.deepbluehum wrote:Have you been to a Gurudwara? Have you spoken to a Bhaiji? You are reaching with your suppositions about what the Guru Granth Sahib is about. Nanak made a truce between Islam and Hinduism. That's about it. Sikhism is theistic. Waheguru is the Creator God. Sikhs mean the Creator with a capital C, and God with a capital G, not the All Creating King aka nature of mind, freedom from extremes. Nanak could have put all the pretty dharma words in the book, that doesn't mean he understood any of it. He was coming from a theistic Hindu standpoint.Virgo wrote: He went all arounnd looking for the highest/ truest teachings. He did incorporate many things but he was seeking the highest, I wouldn't say he just "made a stew".
"Oh all you sentient beings of this threefold world [i.e. the entire universe, both visible and invisible]! Because I, the All-Creating Sovereign, have created you, you are My children and equal to Me. Because you are not second to Me, I am present in you ... Oh all you sentient beings of this threefold world, if I were not, you would be non-existent. ... Because all things do not exist outside of Me, I firmly declare that I am all - the All-Creating One." 
"From the three aspects [i.e. the Unborn; no ending; source of the wonder of ceaseless creation] of My nature, i.e. that of the All-Creating One, [comes] the fullness which fulfills all needs." And: "What is known as the revealed Buddha is this evidence of My own being. Because it has the centre, the central vigor, it is the Self of everything. As it does not need any deeds, it is the Buddha since the beginning. As it is free of striving and achieving, it is since the beginning known as great. The Great Self is known as the Great Buddha. This evidence which is unborn and non-conceptual is the dimension of Reality [dharmadhatu] ...". 
Amazing isn't it? How theistic the tantra sounds and now non-theistic the Guru Granth Sahib sounds? What is going on? Who am I, where am I? What do I believe? As NNR says, you can't rely on belief.
This is why you can't rely on books. I know I said before you can. But I was dead wrong. I forgot how immersed I am in this Dzogchen thing. You have to go to the lineage to see how the whole deal works. If you listen to Guru Choegyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche today, you will get a direct introduction to your real nature. Then you will understand the "Creator" is you and that is what the All Creating King is saying, not god. In fact, tantras purposely throw you off because you need transmission. If you go to a Gurudwara today, you will get lunch and then you will sing songs to the lovely tunes of the Bhaiji harmonium quartet. You can sing Ek Ong Kar Sat Nam a million times and you will never know what Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche will show you in a few minutes. NNR explains devotion is not the path in Dzogchen. In Sikhism it is. kNow why? Because they are worshipping God by another name. Good luck on your journey down the waskawy wabbit hoes. I was a sikh once. I might know something... Sikhs go to worship the creator in the sky. Deal with it.