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-Paraphrase of Khensur Rinpoche Lobsang Tsephel citing the Guhyasamaja Tantra
"All memories and thoughts are the union of emptiness and knowing, the Mind.
Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
Mental obscurations are purified and the dharmakaya is attained."
-Ra Lotsawa, All-pervading Melodious Drumbeats
So how does so called Buddha free himself from karma?
How about Avalokitesvara mahasatva who reincarnated as others? Wouldn't he/she(Khan Yin Boddhisva) be on earth and free from the influence from karma to an extent, an extent of an enlightened being?
I don't think its good to make it look almost impossible to reach!
Isn't it a bit pessimistic to have beliefs that enlightenment is so hard to reach? Some people are making it look impossible. Like as if you need countless lifetimes to bring out what's inside of you. Isn't Buddha inside if you? It's you, Isn't it What about looking into your conciense for answers? Isn't Buddha your conciense?
Ervin wrote:Isn't Buddha your conciense?
This is Mara. By deliberately acting against your conscience, you create karma. Conscience is a different name for morality, and morality is a gift from society. That is why isolation is practiced almost in every religion. It is natural barrier to keep people together like fence keeps cows together. Yes, it hurts... otherwise how would it work? What is being hurt?
Your conscience is not Buddha in my opinion, but it can be governed by Buddhadharma if you study the texts and practice
Ervin wrote:If you believe that karma exists you give it power that way. If you stop believing in karma then it stops existing. You create your world to a great extent with your beliefs or should I say expectations.
If that were true, then you could just stop beveling in karma and then murder someone with no consequences. But, wrong action like this always has consequences, regardless if you believe it will or not! So that can't be true.
Ervin wrote:Well, to me that means then that enlightened beings in this world don't have free will to chose between good and evil actions. Means that they can only do good. Is that freedom, to not have free will?
Having no afflictions means you cannot create unwholesome karma.
seeker242 wrote:But, wrong action like this always has consequences, regardless if you believe it will or not!
And which actions doesn't have consequences?
Ervin wrote:Well, to me that means then that enlightened beings in this world don't have free will to chose between good and evil actions.
Hard to have free will without having a "self". Whos free will is it then?
Ervin wrote:Is that freedom, to not have free will?
It's freedom to not believe in it.
dakini_boi wrote:If this is so, then jump off a cliff, and that will indicate whether or not this belief is actually true for you.
Don't try this at home, folks.
dakini_boi wrote:It's not enough to "stop believing in karma." You have to actually purify your perception to the point that you actually know karma is an illusion, without a doubt. That's what dharma is for. But in the meantime, to just say "I don't believe in karma, therefore it doesn't exist," you are fooling yourself. It's like saying "I believe I can fly." If this is so, then jump off a cliff, and that will indicate whether or not this belief is actually true for you.
So, its impossible that I might be enlightened? That I might have reached true enlightenment? It's impossible that I might be that person who knows the truth? Is that what you are saying? How do you know that I am fooling my self?
What, because I am not a famous monk or because I might not share your beliefs and or understanding I am fooling my self?
I invite others to answer this question if they wish so?
Ervin wrote:So, its impossible that I might be enlightened? That I might have reached true enlightenment? It's impossible that I might be that person who knows the truth? Is that what you are saying?
Ervin wrote:What, because I am not a famous monk or because I might not share your beliefs and or understanding I am fooling my self?
No-one is saying that. What Dakini-boi is saying is that not believing something does not mean that something does not exist.
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