Chime Phagme Nyingtig iconography

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Chime Phagme Nyingtig iconography

Postby Nilasarasvati » Tue May 07, 2013 8:17 pm

I'm looking for some clarification: is it accurate that the CPN mandala/visualization has White Tara actually facing us and Amitayus in her lap with his back to us? If so is there any other yabyum where this is the case? It seems like a huge (and refreshing) difference.

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Re: Chime Phagme Nyingtig iconography

Postby heart » Tue May 07, 2013 8:27 pm

Nilasarasvati wrote:I'm looking for some clarification: is it accurate that the CPN mandala/visualization has White Tara actually facing us and Amitayus in her lap with his back to us? If so is there any other yabyum where this is the case? It seems like a huge (and refreshing) difference.


Yes, in the Zabtig Drolma from the Chokling Tersar.

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Re: Chime Phagme Nyingtig iconography

Postby Nilasarasvati » Tue May 07, 2013 9:02 pm

In the Zabtig Drolma green tara is in yabyum??

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Re: Chime Phagme Nyingtig iconography

Postby dzogchungpa » Tue May 07, 2013 9:39 pm

Nilasarasvati wrote:In the Zabtig Drolma green tara is in yabyum??

You can read about it in "Skillful Grace", p.155:
http://tinyurl.com/bpkdr7o
I just noticed this interesting quotation from that book, p.181:
This Tara practice is endowed with incredible blessings. The present
Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche told me that he considers this Tara
practice as the most profound of all Chokgyur Lingpa's termas. In
Bhutan, he personally sponsors it to be done one hundred thousand
times annually. - Orgyen Tobgyal Rinpoche, unpublished teaching,
2002.
The true condition is beyond numbers. If we think in terms of an "individual being" this means that we are limiting, and consequently everything becomes complicated. If we want to understand, then we must not limit. - Chögyal Namkhai Norbu

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Re: Chime Phagme Nyingtig iconography

Postby conebeckham » Tue May 07, 2013 10:26 pm

Most people think of Zabtik Drolma as the "Four Mandala Offering" with the 21 praises. That's the "Outer Practice."

Magnus is referring to a less-commonly known level of the practice. There are "Inner" and "Secret" practices.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Chime Phagme Nyingtig iconography

Postby conebeckham » Tue May 07, 2013 10:53 pm

You know, there's also a practice of "Chakrasamvara and Vajrayogini Reversed" I have read about, somewhere, but I can't recall where. It was in the context of someone having difficulty with the visualization of Chakrasamvara practice, so he was given this particular practice.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Chime Phagme Nyingtig iconography

Postby Nilasarasvati » Wed May 08, 2013 12:29 am

Thank all of you yogis :applause: this is marvelous. I had no idea.

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Re: Chime Phagme Nyingtig iconography

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