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I find this idea intriguing, and I was wondering if anyone has anything to add to this. I'm not exactly sure what Rinpoche meant... I checked my notes, but I had only written down that brief statement.
meepmeep wrote:A couple of weeks ago during the Vajrasattva empowerment Garchen Rinpoche said from now on we should view water as having the nature of water. ...
Is this correctly written? Or did you mean "Vajrasattva as having the nature of water"?
I never heard this saying before, but have the immediate impression of it, that water is pure clear, colourless, cleansing, refreshing, brilliant, beautiful, ... and in the case of the ocean it is tremendous vast... and in the case of rain it is life giving.
Such a nice metaphor!
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What I have in my notes "the nature of water IS Vajrasattva"
My impression of it is basically like you stated. I really like this metaphor too. I am wondering if there is a specific visualization that goes with it.
An accessible introduction to all this is in Luminous Emptiness by F. Fremantle.
I should add that H.E. Garchen Rinpoche is an authentic treasure. Much love and respect for him and his students.
Clarence wrote:And when you take a shower you can see it as the nectar of Vajrasattva descending on you.
So if I take a 20 minute shower can I count that as 100 repetitions towards the 100,000 accumulation?
What is known as "The Great Primordial Purity”
Is the state abiding before authentic Buddhas arose
And before impure sentient beings appeared;
It is called the great Primordial radiance of immutable awareness.
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Um as for the five Buddha families, it's true--Vajrasattva is often seen as equivalent to or stand-in for Akshobya who is east/blue/water/anger (which is really mirrorlike Wisdom) except strictly speaking, when you are trying to view the five elements or sense objects as the complete mandala, the elements are actually the 5 Dakinis/wisdoms. So, Water is really Vajratopa or Nyema Karmo, the consort.
Ultimately its nondual, they aren't male/female separate entities or something. But it's so magical to think that all the skandhas and matter and energy are actually just the gross display of the 4 Dakinis in space. Whoah!
All this is my really poor explanation and understanding of the lyrical meditations in Magic Dance by Thinley Norbu Rinpoche. If you can find a copy, it's a magnificent book! So rich.
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)
Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―
In Lama Yeshe's teachings on Vajrasattva practice, he also compares Vajrasattva to water in one of his descriptions of how to visualize the nectar 'rushing down the central channel with the kind of force as of a rushing stream of water that forces out the impurities by making them overflow out the top, as in a container.'
(Sorry for the poor paraphrasing, hope you all get the idea!
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