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Dancing with Women in Buddhist Temple
Dancing with Women in Buddhist Temple
What do you think people?
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Karma Dorje
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plwk wrote: What do you think people?
"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
-Padmasambhava
-Padmasambhava
Re: Dancing with Women in Buddhist Temple
plwk wrote:
What do you think people?
It is clearly a dance during what is known as a feast offering, in which singing and dancing are encouraged at a certain point in the ritual.
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I thought it was this song, but it isn't. Sounds exactly like it though.
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dzogchungpa
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Those crazy Vajrayana folks!!!!!!! Who is on the throne? Can't make them out...
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Ah...is this standard for all feast offerings to use such music & dancing or upon discretion of the presiding umze or lamas?It is clearly a dance during what is known as a feast offering, in which singing and dancing are encouraged at a certain point in the ritual.
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It is at the discretion of whoever is in charge.plwk wrote:Ah...is this standard for all feast offerings to use such music & dancing or upon discretion of the presiding umze or lamas?It is clearly a dance during what is known as a feast offering, in which singing and dancing are encouraged at a certain point in the ritual.
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I have attended some Tsok pujas with disciples of Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche and they play all sorts of western music during tsok.... 
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As a reminder...
Jikan wrote:There have been previous attempts to discuss the allegations surrounding Sogyal Rinpoche, and their significance (what are they really, which accounts are to be trusted, and what do those accounts mean?). The central question seems to be, do these accounts disqualify Sogyal as a teacher of Dharma? Here's an example of such a thread
http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.ph ... 73&start=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"
as you can see, the thing went sideways fast.
That said, if anyone would like to start a new thread on the topic of Sogyal Rinpoche and the allegations made regarding him, please do so with an eye on the ToS. Thank you.
*my own view? if the allegations are true, then I would not take instruction from Sogyal, nor encourage anyone else to do so, male or female.
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We watch 1 min or so of a you tube clip, have no knowledge where it is, what is going on and we through our eyes and ue ears from an judgement.. Ah confused mind you mesmerize....
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Here is a tibetan's perspective
His Holiness the Dalai Lama already mentioned many times in Tibetan language. Sometimes many western countries who are not familiar with Tibetan unique tradition in a deeper level. Sometimes they are having very hard time to understand our unique culture.
So, Here is my final conclusion.
For the Tibetan perspective Sogyal Rinpoche Dancing in the temple is absolutely wrong and insulting of our faith Because He has Title of RINPOCHE and we Tibetan respect him because of his title and we Tibetan do not dance inside the monastery.
But for western perspective I’m sure they will enjoy it.
Bottom line we are loosing our unique authentic tradition and culture in western society and we are mixing our unique tradition like a sex on the beach cocktail.
BUT WHO CARES! Now a days someTibetans are ready to do anything to please westerners! because dollars and EURO has lot of power and i don’t blame them.
have a wonderful good night.
-Lhaksam
http://www.lhaksam.com/dancing-for-living-and-dying/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
His Holiness the Dalai Lama already mentioned many times in Tibetan language. Sometimes many western countries who are not familiar with Tibetan unique tradition in a deeper level. Sometimes they are having very hard time to understand our unique culture.
So, Here is my final conclusion.
For the Tibetan perspective Sogyal Rinpoche Dancing in the temple is absolutely wrong and insulting of our faith Because He has Title of RINPOCHE and we Tibetan respect him because of his title and we Tibetan do not dance inside the monastery.
But for western perspective I’m sure they will enjoy it.
Bottom line we are loosing our unique authentic tradition and culture in western society and we are mixing our unique tradition like a sex on the beach cocktail.
BUT WHO CARES! Now a days someTibetans are ready to do anything to please westerners! because dollars and EURO has lot of power and i don’t blame them.
have a wonderful good night.
-Lhaksam
http://www.lhaksam.com/dancing-for-living-and-dying/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
“The path of the supreme yoga it is not the path of accomplished sages of the past. Whoever enters onto the path of the sages of the past will end up gripped by the sicknesses of the path - meditation, attachment, and exertion.”Thig le drug pa.
“Everything of the universe of saṃsāra and nirvāṇa arises as the enlightened energy of the one self-perfected Natural Presence. But these teachers still mistakenly teach that disciples should fabricate enlightenment by applying discipline, renunciation, interruption, purification and transformation”.
“Everything of the universe of saṃsāra and nirvāṇa arises as the enlightened energy of the one self-perfected Natural Presence. But these teachers still mistakenly teach that disciples should fabricate enlightenment by applying discipline, renunciation, interruption, purification and transformation”.
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why should tibetan way of dancing be acceptable/correct and not western way? Is it not some kind of sectarism? The body is moving, free ... is it not that the point?
Certainly westerners have a lot to learn from Tibetans ... sometime Tibetans could also learn from westerners.
Important is motivation and to be free from conceptualizations ...
Sönam
Certainly westerners have a lot to learn from Tibetans ... sometime Tibetans could also learn from westerners.
Important is motivation and to be free from conceptualizations ...
Sönam
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
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Just because Lhaksam is Tibetan doesn't mean he has a better understanding.
Plenty of stupid Tibetans criticized Chogyal Namkhai Norbu for inane matters like wearing colorful t-shirts, for bathing in the ocean, or for being able to drive a car. Yet I haven't heard anything about Nyoshul Khenpo, who encountered a nudist beach in France I believe, and when he found himself being stared at for being the only one dressed in clothes at the beach, he returned later, stark naked instead. So I am sure that would be very shocking to Tibetans who care so much about titles!
I think these Tibetans should look in their own mirrors, and perhaps ask the question why so many Tibetans only care about blessings from high lamas, instead of listening to their teachings, and trying to absorb the essential points of the teachings. If they only care about titles and blessings, they have a big problem.
Now, I don't think all Tibetans are like this, in fact I know all Tibetans are not like this, but the apparent outrage over something as innocent as the dancing in the video in the first post, is to me just baffling. Dancing has had a place in Vajrayana Buddhism for quite a long time, and maybe Lhaksam just isn't aware of this. But there's all kinds of dances, from large and complex ritualistic dances, to more simple and spontaneous kinds of dances. And like Malcolm mentioned, in feast offerings in Vajrayana, it is not uncommon that there's dancing like this - be it to Western music or to Tibetan music, or any kind of music really. But perhaps to some of these Tibetans, who are more interested in titles, as per Lhaksam's comment, this is something they are not aware of.
Sometimes I just wish people could loosen up a little more...
There's many things to criticize on this planet, but the above video hardly qualifies.
Plenty of stupid Tibetans criticized Chogyal Namkhai Norbu for inane matters like wearing colorful t-shirts, for bathing in the ocean, or for being able to drive a car. Yet I haven't heard anything about Nyoshul Khenpo, who encountered a nudist beach in France I believe, and when he found himself being stared at for being the only one dressed in clothes at the beach, he returned later, stark naked instead. So I am sure that would be very shocking to Tibetans who care so much about titles!
I think these Tibetans should look in their own mirrors, and perhaps ask the question why so many Tibetans only care about blessings from high lamas, instead of listening to their teachings, and trying to absorb the essential points of the teachings. If they only care about titles and blessings, they have a big problem.
Now, I don't think all Tibetans are like this, in fact I know all Tibetans are not like this, but the apparent outrage over something as innocent as the dancing in the video in the first post, is to me just baffling. Dancing has had a place in Vajrayana Buddhism for quite a long time, and maybe Lhaksam just isn't aware of this. But there's all kinds of dances, from large and complex ritualistic dances, to more simple and spontaneous kinds of dances. And like Malcolm mentioned, in feast offerings in Vajrayana, it is not uncommon that there's dancing like this - be it to Western music or to Tibetan music, or any kind of music really. But perhaps to some of these Tibetans, who are more interested in titles, as per Lhaksam's comment, this is something they are not aware of.
Sometimes I just wish people could loosen up a little more...
There's many things to criticize on this planet, but the above video hardly qualifies.
"The Guru is the Buddha, the Guru is the Dharma,
The Guru is the Sangha too,
The Guru is Śrī Heruka.
The All-Creating King is the Guru."
-- The Secret Assembly Tantra
The Guru is the Sangha too,
The Guru is Śrī Heruka.
The All-Creating King is the Guru."
-- The Secret Assembly Tantra
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Karma Dorje
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Re: Dancing with Women in Buddhist Temple
plwk wrote:
What do you think people?
"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
-Padmasambhava
-Padmasambhava
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I'm glad there are opportunities for dancing, opportunities for women, and opportunities for men and women to dance together, in Buddhist temples.
None of this should be controversial, shocking, or problematic... except, perhaps, their taste in music
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Karma Dorje
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Yes, it would have been much better if they were dancing to Bombs Over Baghdad.Jikan wrote:
I'm glad there are opportunities for dancing, opportunities for women, and opportunities for men and women to dance together, in Buddhist temples.
None of this should be controversial, shocking, or problematic... except, perhaps, their taste in music
"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
-Padmasambhava
-Padmasambhava
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I like the original better.Jikan wrote:None of this should be controversial, shocking, or problematic... except, perhaps, their taste in music
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
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I think that Vajrayana Rituals should neither be recorded nor posted on youtube.plwk wrote:
What do you think people?
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"Here we see the both male and female specimens of the large tool-using ape homo sapiens gathering in a building, moving their body rhythmically to sounds and consuming food and ethanol laced liquids.They call this odd display 'having fun'"
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