?Malcolm wrote:No, mindfulness is not Buddhadharma.MrBlueSKY wrote:To make sense of the future in regard to this corporate mindfulness ....No ?
You mean without the other 7 paths of the 3 trainings, I guess
?Malcolm wrote:No, mindfulness is not Buddhadharma.MrBlueSKY wrote:To make sense of the future in regard to this corporate mindfulness ....No ?
Bingo. but if it gets people interested in Buddhadharma, then so much the better. If you read (and I don't recommend you do) the book about Google's in-house mindfulness program, Search Inside Yourself, you'll see constant references to Buddhist themes and contemporary Buddhist masters (I think he plagiarized a bit from Thich Nhat Hanh, but that's another issue). So if someone reads that book and takes an interest in the Dalai Lama, or Matthieu Ricard, then--great.Malcolm wrote:No, mindfulness is not Buddhadharma.MrBlueSKY wrote:To make sense of the future in regard to this corporate mindfulness ....No ?
can't speak for Malcolm, but I can say for a certainty that what Kabat-Zinn and Daniel Goleman talk about when they talk about mindfulness in corporate & health care contexts is not the same as what Buddha Shakyamuni talks about when he talks about mindfulness. the objectives for practice are entirely different. One is to realize liberation. The other is to realize a less-stressed or more comfortable, more "meaningful" bourgeois lifestyle.Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote:?Malcolm wrote:No, mindfulness is not Buddhadharma.MrBlueSKY wrote:To make sense of the future in regard to this corporate mindfulness ....No ?
You mean without the other 7 paths of the 3 trainings, I guess
dreambow wrote:Jikan, I agree. This sanitized version of mindfulness is a complete watering down of the Buddha's teachings. Just a reflection of the rampant materialism and neoconservative influence pervading society.
Yes I understand. Upon reflection it was not an intelligent comment. The Kagyupas speak of the 4 foundations of mindfulness. I somewhat doubt that is what is being sold in the corporate context.Jikan wrote: can't speak for Malcolm, but I can say for a certainty that what Kabat-Zinn and Daniel Goleman talk about when they talk about mindfulness in corporate & health care contexts is not the same as what Buddha Shakyamuni talks about when he talks about mindfulness. the objectives for practice are entirely different. One is to realize liberation. The other is to realize a less-stressed or more comfortable, more "meaningful" bourgeois lifestyle.
Whether it is corporate mindfulness or it is incomplete help, it is very much like throwing a stone into the river.Dan74 wrote:On a positive side I can imagine in a few case where mindfulness will lead people to the Dharma and real change can be effected.
Some time ago, a guy I know asked me for materials to learn meditation. I passed a few things on to him. Some time later when I tried to follow up, he said "I'm not interested in enlightenment, I just wanted to utilise my time at work better."
I guess at the end of the day, it is good to help people where we can, even when this help is very 'incomplete'.
Corporate mindfulness is about stress reduction and perhaps a sort of mental hygiene. Realizing liberation is "meaningful."DGA wrote:can't speak for Malcolm, but I can say for a certainty that what Kabat-Zinn and Daniel Goleman talk about when they talk about mindfulness in corporate & health care contexts is not the same as what Buddha Shakyamuni talks about when he talks about mindfulness. the objectives for practice are entirely different. One is to realize liberation. The other is to realize a less-stressed or more comfortable, more "meaningful" bourgeois lifestyle.
He is well aware there are, shall we say, 'soteriolical' dimensions of Buddhism that aren't necessarily present in the 'secular mindfulness' types of movements, but he still sees it as a constructive dialogue between Western psycho-therapeutic and Eastern disciplines.Mindfulness Within the Full Range of Buddhist and Asian Meditative Practices
The initial stages of the Mindfulness movement involved, for the most part, a limited set of meditative practices derived from modernist forms of Buddhism in Asia and the West, and restated in terms relatively distant from those of life and practice in Asian Buddhist societies. Much initial research was also focussed on the effects and therapeutic efficacy of this modernised and secularised set of practices, in part because of the relative ease with which it could be assimilated within contemporary scientific thought and biomedical practice. However, as the Mindfulness movement has grown, it has provided an invitation to consider the much wider range of meditative forms existing within Asian Buddhist traditions. This seminar discusses some of these meditative forms, also considering similar and parallel contemplative practices within Hindu and Daoist traditions. A better understanding of this multiplicity of contemplative forms and techniques, and of the cultural and philosophical context which they assume and imply, can both stimulate an expansion and rethinking of Western modes of scientific thought, and aid us to develop a more varied and productive range of therapeutic applications.
"You're unhappy and stressed? I have the perfect solution for the right price."dreambow wrote:Corporate mindfulness is a sham an artificial construct. The corporations are only interested in productivity, profit and a compliant workforce. We now have colouring books for adults being flogged in every book shop and news agency, apparently a trend to relax the busy western mind; business is booming.
David N. Snyder wrote:White Privilege and the Mindfulness Movement
dreambow wrote:Corporate mindfulness is a sham an artificial construct. The corporations are only interested in productivity, profit and a compliant workforce. We now have colouring books for adults being flogged in every book shop and news agency, apparently a trend to relax the busy western mind; business is booming.
Congratulations on completing this. Is there an English translation available? I'm not fluent in academe.
Mindfulness as explained in this modernized mindfulness movement isn't quite the same thing as mindfulness in the traditions it is drawn from, both in terms of some of the practical details, and also the broad context.Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote:?Malcolm wrote:No, mindfulness is not Buddhadharma.MrBlueSKY wrote:To make sense of the future in regard to this corporate mindfulness ....No ?
You mean without the other 7 paths of the 3 trainings, I guess
As a hiring manager for technology companies for over the past decade, I can tell you that many of them are not anywhere near as mercenary when it comes to employee well-being as you imagine. There is a genuine concern for work/life balance because it is a well established fact that happier, more fulfilled staff do better work, are more innovative and invested in the success of the company. This is widely true in European business as well.dreambow wrote:Corporate mindfulness is a sham an artificial construct. The corporations are only interested in productivity, profit and a compliant workforce. We now have colouring books for adults being flogged in every book shop and news agency, apparently a trend to relax the busy western mind; business is booming.