Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

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Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Manju » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:34 am

Sad:

Post-mortem: Why Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/1610 ... o-fracking

Anyway, do not give up !

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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Kim O'Hara » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:27 am

Never ever give up! :jedi:

In the absence of decent leadership from higher levels of government (in the USA, here in Oz, and elsewhere) action on fracking and renewable energy is occurring at lower and lower levels ... go down far enough and you find participatory democracy actually works. :smile:
That latest earthquake http://www.naturalnews.com/055229_frack ... ahoma.html should have woken up a few more people to the dangers. And if you still haven't got much local support, organise screenings of Gaslands. :twisted:

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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Rakz » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:44 am

Disagree with the treehuggers. I'm all for fracking as long we have some standards put in place.

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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Kim O'Hara » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:31 am

Rakz wrote:Disagree with the treehuggers. I'm all for fracking as long we have some standards put in place.
I take it that you have no children, or don't care about what kind of world they will inherit from you.

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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Manju » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:26 am

In addition to Oklahoma earthquakes:

http://www.nltimes.nl/2016/09/08/shell- ... rthquakes/

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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Sādhaka » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:28 am

“...we should try to acquire clairvoyance. Without it, we are like a baby bird whose wings are undeveloped and has not yet grown feathers and remains stuck in its nest, unable to fly. Without clairvoyance, we cannot work for other sentient beings.” — Khunu Lama
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The welfare of others cannot be accomplished without the higher faculties of perception,
So diligently strive for your own wellbeing, whilst mentally considering the welfare of others.” — Longchenpa

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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Rakz » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:46 pm

Kim O'Hara wrote:
Rakz wrote:Disagree with the treehuggers. I'm all for fracking as long we have some standards put in place.
I take it that you have no children, or don't care about what kind of world they will inherit from you.

:coffee:
Kim
Both economy and environment matter to me hence why I said standards are needed.

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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Lobsang Chojor » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:47 pm

The sad thing is regulation is difficult because companies won't say what the fracking liquid is citing corporate secrets.
"Morality does not become pure unless darkness is dispelled by the light of wisdom"
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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Malcolm » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:56 pm

Lobsang Chojor wrote:The sad thing is regulation is difficult because companies won't say what the fracking liquid is citing corporate secrets.
It is all poison. That is why they won't say.
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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Lobsang Chojor » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:33 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Lobsang Chojor wrote:The sad thing is regulation is difficult because companies won't say what the fracking liquid is citing corporate secrets.
It is all poison. That is why they won't say.
:twothumbsup: I did a project on it at school and it was disturbing the impacts and how it's carried out.

Very sneaky work from these companies :spy:
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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Kim O'Hara » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:38 pm

Rakz wrote:
Kim O'Hara wrote:
Rakz wrote:Disagree with the treehuggers. I'm all for fracking as long we have some standards put in place.
I take it that you have no children, or don't care about what kind of world they will inherit from you.

:coffee:
Kim
Both economy and environment matter to me hence why I said standards are needed.
All the evidence is that renewable energy is better for both the economy and the environment than fossil fuels.

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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Rakz » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:31 am

Kim O'Hara wrote: All the evidence is that renewable energy is better for both the economy and the environment than fossil fuels.

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Yes for environment but not economy.

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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Lobsang Chojor » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:05 am

Rakz wrote: Yes for environment but not economy.
Is the economy not dependent on the environment?
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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Rakz » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:23 am

Lobsang Chojor wrote: Is the economy not dependent on the environment?
It is dependent on exploiting it unfortunately.

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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Kim O'Hara » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:10 am

Rakz wrote:
Kim O'Hara wrote: All the evidence is that renewable energy is better for both the economy and the environment than fossil fuels.

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Kim
Yes for environment but not economy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_ ... ate_change
:reading: :reading: :reading:
and particularly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_Review
and http://www.climatehotmap.org/global-war ... onomy.html
:reading: :reading: :reading: :reading:
The tl;dr version is that unchecked climate change (i.e. unchecked fossil fuel consumption) will bring on something at least as bad as a major global depression akin to the 1930s one.

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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Malcolm » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:38 am

Rakz wrote:
Lobsang Chojor wrote: Is the economy not dependent on the environment?
It is dependent on exploiting it unfortunately.
It is then not sustainable. To exploit something is to use it beyond its capacity to sustain itself. If we use the environment beyonds its capacity to sustain itself, the economy that depends on such an environment will collapse when the environment it has destroyed collapses. This is the lesson of the rise and fall of world civilizations since we have had records with which to track these things.

We, sadly, have learned nothing.
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

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taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Manju » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:01 am

Malcolm :bow: wrote:
``We, sadly, have learned nothing.``

I say:

We have learned a lot but WE are not able to move it in the right direction (yet.....)
because WE are not the majority in companies and governments (yet.....).

It will take time but WE will take over.

A small ray of hope today:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-rule-tod ... d=41973080

And always recommendable to keep the spirits up:

Movie Erin Brockovich..., :woohoo:
and so on and so forth.

Keep the spirit up, people,

Manju
(just prepairing a press conference against a corrupt politician, so a bit over the edge, he he)

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Re: Colorado’s anti-fracking measures didn’t make the ballot

Post by Kim O'Hara » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:41 am

Manju wrote:(just prepairing a press conference against a corrupt politician, so a bit over the edge, he he)
Good luck!

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