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Smoking tobacco

Post by rai » Wed May 04, 2011 4:19 pm

Hi all,

What is Tibetan Buddhism approach towards smoking tobacco. Please write whatever you've heard or read. I am struggling with casual smoking and need some good motivation to give up completely. I've read HH Dudjom Rinpoche' teachings on smoking tobacco but 1) I saw it on Aro website and i am not sure is it authentic or not and 2) the description of the plant are more like a Opium not tobacco, maybe someone read it in Tibetan and could confirm.

Thanks,

Rai

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Re: Smoking tobacco

Post by Malcolm » Wed May 04, 2011 4:33 pm

rai wrote:Hi all,

What is Tibetan Buddhism approach towards smoking tobacco. Please write whatever you've heard or read. I am struggling with casual smoking and need some good motivation to give up completely. I've read HH Dudjom Rinpoche' teachings on smoking tobacco but 1) I saw it on Aro website and i am not sure is it authentic or not and 2) the description of the plant are more like a Opium not tobacco, maybe someone read it in Tibetan and could confirm.

Thanks,

Rai

Smoking is stupid, bad for your health, bad for your practice. If you want to smoke, smoke Ayurvedic cigarettes.
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-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
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One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
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-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Smoking tobacco

Post by Huseng » Wed May 04, 2011 4:34 pm

Namdrol wrote:
rai wrote:Hi all,

What is Tibetan Buddhism approach towards smoking tobacco. Please write whatever you've heard or read. I am struggling with casual smoking and need some good motivation to give up completely. I've read HH Dudjom Rinpoche' teachings on smoking tobacco but 1) I saw it on Aro website and i am not sure is it authentic or not and 2) the description of the plant are more like a Opium not tobacco, maybe someone read it in Tibetan and could confirm.

Thanks,

Rai

Smoking is stupid, bad for your health, bad for your practice. If you want to smoke, smoke Ayurvedic cigarettes.
What do you think of those sadhus in India who smoke weed?

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Re: Smoking tobacco

Post by Malcolm » Wed May 04, 2011 4:38 pm

Huseng wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
rai wrote:Hi all,

What is Tibetan Buddhism approach towards smoking tobacco. Please write whatever you've heard or read. I am struggling with casual smoking and need some good motivation to give up completely. I've read HH Dudjom Rinpoche' teachings on smoking tobacco but 1) I saw it on Aro website and i am not sure is it authentic or not and 2) the description of the plant are more like a Opium not tobacco, maybe someone read it in Tibetan and could confirm.

Thanks,

Rai

Smoking is stupid, bad for your health, bad for your practice. If you want to smoke, smoke Ayurvedic cigarettes.
What do you think of those sadhus in India who smoke weed?
"Dude, where's my chillum..."
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Smoking tobacco

Post by Josef » Wed May 04, 2011 5:02 pm

Namdrol wrote:

Smoking is stupid, bad for your health, bad for your practice.
The thing that kills me about smoking is that when people start smoking it is tied to this rebellious self-image.
Ironic considering that smoking is essentially paying "the man" to kill you.
Incredibly stupid.
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Post by heart » Wed May 04, 2011 5:34 pm

rai wrote:Hi all,

What is Tibetan Buddhism approach towards smoking tobacco. Please write whatever you've heard or read. I am struggling with casual smoking and need some good motivation to give up completely. I've read HH Dudjom Rinpoche' teachings on smoking tobacco but 1) I saw it on Aro website and i am not sure is it authentic or not and 2) the description of the plant are more like a Opium not tobacco, maybe someone read it in Tibetan and could confirm.

Thanks,

Rai
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Re: Smoking tobacco

Post by Stewart » Wed May 04, 2011 8:12 pm

Dear Namdrol,

I am aware of the view of tobacco, but what is the TM opinion of Marijuana? Both recreational and medical uses? Also, what exactly is in Ayurvedic cigarette?

I am no expert on TM, but I am a patient of Dr Lobsang Dhonden Soktsang of Tara Rokpa in Scotland. He's helped me no end with blood pressure problems.

Many thanks,

s.

ps. I don't smoke anything, just curious.
s.

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Post by Malcolm » Wed May 04, 2011 8:20 pm

samdrup wrote:Dear Namdrol,

I am aware of the view of tobacco, but what is the TM opinion of Marijuana? Both recreational and medical uses?
Herb does not have many medical uses in TM -- and it is very bad for meditation. Stoners can't meditate well since herb messes with short term memory. If one is a stoner, and thinks one can practice, one is suffering from delusion.

Also, what exactly is in Ayurvedic cigarette?
Herbs which are quite good for the lungs.

http://www.madanapalas.com/nirdosh-herb ... s-p-9.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Smoking healing herbs has an ancient tradition in Ayurveda, it is mentioned in the Caraka Samhita.

When you see people smoking in Mad Men they are smoking some kind of herbal cigarettes.


N
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Smoking tobacco

Post by Stewart » Wed May 04, 2011 8:52 pm

Thanks N, very interesting.

On a side note, do you mind if I ask you a question please?

Dr Dhonden and Akong Rinpoche advised me to take Rinchen Ratna Samphel pills, along with my other medicines, about once or twice per month. So I got a large stock from Men Tsee Khang in Dharamsala. I take these as advised and prescribed. My question is: How long can I keep these pills? Do they have a shelf life?

Thanks for your time.

s.
s.

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Post by Malcolm » Wed May 04, 2011 8:54 pm

samdrup wrote:Thanks N, very interesting.

On a side note, do you mind if I ask you a question please?

Dr Dhonden and Akong Rinpoche advised me to take Rinchen Ratna Samphel pills, along with my other medicines, about once or twice per month. So I got a large stock from Men Tsee Khang in Dharamsala. I take these as advised and prescribed. My question is: How long can I keep these pills? Do they have a shelf life?

Thanks for your time.

s.

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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Post by Stewart » Wed May 04, 2011 9:07 pm

Thanks again N,

What's your opinion of the Men Tsee Khang precious pills? Can you recommend any other authentic source? Dr Dhonden did warn me against inferior sources.

I actually had some that were made by Khenpo Troru Tsenam at Kagyu Samye Ling about 12 years ago, but they are long gone.

Thanks,

s.
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Re: Smoking tobacco

Post by Rakz » Wed May 04, 2011 9:13 pm

Namdrol wrote:
samdrup wrote:Dear Namdrol,

I am aware of the view of tobacco, but what is the TM opinion of Marijuana? Both recreational and medical uses?
Herb does not have many medical uses in TM -- and it is very bad for meditation. Stoners can't meditate well since herb messes with short term memory. If one is a stoner, and thinks one can practice, one is suffering from delusion.

Also, what exactly is in Ayurvedic cigarette?
Herbs which are quite good for the lungs.

http://www.madanapalas.com/nirdosh-herb ... s-p-9.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Smoking healing herbs has an ancient tradition in Ayurveda, it is mentioned in the Caraka Samhita.

When you see people smoking in Mad Men they are smoking some kind of herbal cigarettes.


N
Don't mean to get off topic here but I've been having this on again off again cough for quite some time now. Would you recommend these?

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Re: Smoking tobacco

Post by Malcolm » Wed May 04, 2011 9:33 pm

maestro wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
samdrup wrote:Dear Namdrol,

I am aware of the view of tobacco, but what is the TM opinion of Marijuana? Both recreational and medical uses?
Herb does not have many medical uses in TM -- and it is very bad for meditation. Stoners can't meditate well since herb messes with short term memory. If one is a stoner, and thinks one can practice, one is suffering from delusion.

Also, what exactly is in Ayurvedic cigarette?
Herbs which are quite good for the lungs.

http://www.madanapalas.com/nirdosh-herb ... s-p-9.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Smoking healing herbs has an ancient tradition in Ayurveda, it is mentioned in the Caraka Samhita.

When you see people smoking in Mad Men they are smoking some kind of herbal cigarettes.


N
Don't mean to get off topic here but I've been having this on again off again cough for quite some time now. Would you recommend these?
You an try them, see how they work out.
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Smoking tobacco

Post by kirtu » Wed May 04, 2011 10:34 pm

Namdrol wrote:
Huseng wrote:What do you think of those sadhus in India who smoke weed?
"Dude, where's my chillum..."
What is that all about?

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Post by Malcolm » Wed May 04, 2011 10:36 pm

kirtu wrote:
Namdrol wrote:
Huseng wrote:What do you think of those sadhus in India who smoke weed?
"Dude, where's my chillum..."
What is that all about?

Kirt

it's a joke adapted from the stoner movie "Dude, Where's My Car?".
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Smoking tobacco

Post by Caz » Wed May 04, 2011 10:57 pm

Precious human life anyone ? Now who would want to waste a single moment of it or create the causes for it to shorten when we've got an oppertunity to learn and practise Dharma ? :shrug:
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Re: Smoking tobacco

Post by justsit » Wed May 04, 2011 11:00 pm

LOL, haven't heard of a chillum since the 70's. :twothumbsup:

We also smoked some killer Indian cigarettes called Sher Bidis - really nasty. Now there's a smoke you don't wanna toke.
But, back then, it was anything for a buzz. :crazy:

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Post by kirtu » Wed May 04, 2011 11:05 pm

Namdrol wrote:it's a joke adapted from the stoner movie "Dude, Where's My Car?".
No, I mean why do the sadhus smoke marijuana or whatever they smoke?

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Smoking tobacco

Post by kirtu » Wed May 04, 2011 11:07 pm

Caz wrote:Precious human life anyone ? Now who would want to waste a single moment of it or create the causes for it to shorten when we've got an oppertunity to learn and practise Dharma ? :shrug:
Smoking is addicitive and it's also supposed to be pleasureable. People will do anything they find pleasureable.

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"Even if you practice only for an hour a day with faith and inspiration, good qualities will steadily increase. Regular practice makes it easy to transform your mind. From seeing only relative truth, you will eventually reach a profound certainty in the meaning of absolute truth."
Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.

"Only you can make your mind beautiful."
HH Chetsang Rinpoche

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Re: Smoking tobacco

Post by Malcolm » Thu May 05, 2011 12:28 am

kirtu wrote:
Namdrol wrote:it's a joke adapted from the stoner movie "Dude, Where's My Car?".
No, I mean why do the sadhus smoke marijuana or whatever they smoke?

Kirt
because they think Siva was a stoner too. It is their creation stage.
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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