Leader?
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Well, the Karmapa is only the head of the Karma Kagyu and I believe the head of the Gelugs is actually the Ganden Tripa. As far as Nyingma is concerned, I don't think there is one at the moment.
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Who is it usually?dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:22 pm
Well, the Karmapa is only the head of the Karma Kagyu and I believe the head of the Gelugs is actually the Ganden Tripa. As far as Nyingma is concerned, I don't think there is one at the moment.
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Tenma wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:25 pmWho is it usually?dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:22 pm
Well, the Karmapa is only the head of the Karma Kagyu and I believe the head of the Gelugs is actually the Ganden Tripa. As far as Nyingma is concerned, I don't think there is one at the moment.
My understanding is that there was no head of the Nyingma in Tibet. Such a position was created in exile. There is no specific tulku or head of a specific monastery or whatever that is usually the head of the Nyingma. See: http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?titl ... _Nyingmapa
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
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Ah, I see. So there is no traditional leader of the Nyingmapas nor any reincarnation findings of this ruler or hereditary lineage like that of the Sakya.dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:31 pmTenma wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:25 pmWho is it usually?dzogchungpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:22 pm
Well, the Karmapa is only the head of the Karma Kagyu and I believe the head of the Gelugs is actually the Ganden Tripa. As far as Nyingma is concerned, I don't think there is one at the moment.
My understanding is that there was no head of the Nyingma in Tibet. Such a position was created in exile. There is no specific tulku or head of a specific monastery or whatever that is usually the head of the Nyingma. See: http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?titl ... _Nyingmapa
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NyingmaSupreme Head of the Nyinmapa;
Dudjom Jigdral Yeshe Dorje (c. 1904–1987), served from the 1960s until his death.
Dilgo Khyentse (c. 1910–1991), served from 1987 until his death.
Penor Rinpoche (1932–2009) served from 1991 until retirement in 2003.
Mindrolling Trichen (c. 1930–2008), served from 2003 until his death.
Trulshik Rinpoche (1923–2011), served from 2010 until his death on September 2, 2011. Selected after Chatral Rinpoche declined the position.
Taklung Tsetrul Rinpoche (1926-2015), served from 2012 until his death.
http://tibet.net/2017/06/his-holiness-t ... den-tripa/His Holiness the Dalai Lama has appointed Jangtse Choejey Kyabje Jetsun Lobsang Tenzin Palsangpo as the 104th Gaden Tripa. The Gaden Tripa ‘Holder of the Gaden Throne’ is the title of the spiritual head of the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism. Je Tsongkhapa (1357–1419), who founded the Gelug school was the first Ganden Tripa. The lineage has, since, been held by the Gaden Tripas.
The Gaden Tripa is an appointed office, not a reincarnation lineage. It occurs once every seven years (completion of term) or earlier (due to unforeseen events like death). The title is bestowed alternately on one or the other of the two Chojeys – Sharpa Chojey or Jangtse Chojey. The appointment is based on academic merit which is the basis of the hierarchical progression.
Although the appointment of Gaden Tripa is automatic, it is usually confirmed by His Holiness the Dalai Lama who publicly announces the appointment or nomination at the time of changeover.
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Homage to the Precious Dzogchen Master
Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche
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Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche said the leader of the Nyingma tradition is King Trisong Detsen.
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Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche told me that he served as the Karmapa's representative as head of the Kagyus for a while in Central Tibet at the regular meetings in Lhasa, prior to the exedus in the late '50s. The Chinese governing body had sought to control the population through reigning in the heads of the various lineages and traditions. When faced with the lack of hierarchy, the Chinese governor demanded that the four schools elect one leader each, to make communications from the Reds understood and obeyed. So rather than the six monastic seats for the Nyingma tradition, one was selected and that was Dudjom Rinpoche. It was an artificial figure head, and each received a monthly bag of silver coins. Tulku Urgyen told me that when resigning he threw his in the Brahmaputra/Tsangpo.
When arriving in India, the four heads continued as administrators for the refugees. But this doesn't change the fact that the origin of the four heads are a Chinese invention for political control.
When arriving in India, the four heads continued as administrators for the refugees. But this doesn't change the fact that the origin of the four heads are a Chinese invention for political control.
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Exactly.
And one that appeals to many westerners because we are conditioned to expect an imposed hierarchy.
Actually, imposing a hierarchy on Tibetans is a little like trying to herd cats...
They are more likely to acknowledge an emergent hierarchy than an imposed one.
Word gets round........
And one that appeals to many westerners because we are conditioned to expect an imposed hierarchy.
Actually, imposing a hierarchy on Tibetans is a little like trying to herd cats...
They are more likely to acknowledge an emergent hierarchy than an imposed one.
Word gets round........
“You don’t know it. You just know about it. That is not the same thing.”
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche to me.
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Erik Pema Kunsang wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:29 pm Tulku Urgyen Rinpoche told me that he served as the Karmapa's representative as head of the Kagyus for a while in Central Tibet at the regular meetings in Lhasa, prior to the exedus in the late '50s. The Chinese governing body had sought to control the population through reigning in the heads of the various lineages and traditions. When faced with the lack of hierarchy, the Chinese governor demanded that the four schools elect one leader each, to make communications from the Reds understood and obeyed. So rather than the six monastic seats for the Nyingma tradition, one was selected and that was Dudjom Rinpoche. It was an artificial figure head, and each received a monthly bag of silver coins. Tulku Urgyen told me that when resigning he threw his in the Brahmaputra/Tsangpo.
When arriving in India, the four heads continued as administrators for the refugees. But this doesn't change the fact that the origin of the four heads are a Chinese invention for political control.
/magnus
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~Kurt Vonnegut
"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)