Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Kelwin » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:56 pm

As usual, I'm amazed at the clarity of his transmission. Beyond anything. He truly is my Guru in that sense.

And yet, as usual, I'm unsure how to continue in the Dzogchen Community. I practice the Short Tun, have met the small local sangha, and I know the SMS program exists. But really, what is the next step if I truly want to make the jump from my Kagyu/Nyingma background to practicing in the blessing of Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche? The lack of structure gives a lot of freedom, but also, well, a lack of structure.

Also, I am somewhat bothered by the fact that I never talked with him, and maybe never will. Not that I have any real questions, it makes it somewhat strange to consider him my Guru.

Any advice? Thank you.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Josef » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:49 pm

Kelwin wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:56 pm
As usual, I'm amazed at the clarity of his transmission. Beyond anything. He truly is my Guru in that sense.

And yet, as usual, I'm unsure how to continue in the Dzogchen Community. I practice the Short Tun, have met the small local sangha, and I know the SMS program exists. But really, what is the next step if I truly want to make the jump from my Kagyu/Nyingma background to practicing in the blessing of Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche? The lack of structure gives a lot of freedom, but also, well, a lack of structure.

Also, I am somewhat bothered by the fact that I never talked with him, and maybe never will. Not that I have any real questions, it makes it somewhat strange to consider him my Guru.

Any advice? Thank you.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Miroku » Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:30 pm

Kelwin wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:56 pm
As usual, I'm amazed at the clarity of his transmission. Beyond anything. He truly is my Guru in that sense.

And yet, as usual, I'm unsure how to continue in the Dzogchen Community. I practice the Short Tun, have met the small local sangha, and I know the SMS program exists. But really, what is the next step if I truly want to make the jump from my Kagyu/Nyingma background to practicing in the blessing of Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche? The lack of structure gives a lot of freedom, but also, well, a lack of structure.

Also, I am somewhat bothered by the fact that I never talked with him, and maybe never will. Not that I have any real questions, it makes it somewhat strange to consider him my Guru.

Any advice? Thank you.
Find sth you are interested in. For example yantra yoga, dance of vajra, SMS, Mandarava, anything. :) But be present and do gy and sov every day. :) Maybe small retreat on some semdzin or rushen would help. And do ganapujas even if alone.

Edit: Oh and definetly try to meet him, or attend a retreat with him at least. Maybe try spending some time in Merigar, or do karmayoga for local center, or gar. If you work for dzogchen community you work for him and help develop his vision.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Vasana » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:40 pm

Kelwin wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:56 pm
As usual, I'm amazed at the clarity of his transmission. Beyond anything. He truly is my Guru in that sense.

And yet, as usual, I'm unsure how to continue in the Dzogchen Community. I practice the Short Tun, have met the small local sangha, and I know the SMS program exists. But really, what is the next step if I truly want to make the jump from my Kagyu/Nyingma background to practicing in the blessing of Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche? The lack of structure gives a lot of freedom, but also, well, a lack of structure.

Also, I am somewhat bothered by the fact that I never talked with him, and maybe never will. Not that I have any real questions, it makes it somewhat strange to consider him my Guru.

Any advice? Thank you.
SMS is very structured and can give you a longer term focus. It doesn't need to be practiced in the order it is presented afaik and everything there is laid out for the practioners development. The precious vase lists it all. Also, dedicating time for a 1, 2, 3 day or 1 week retreat (or longer )is worthwhile since intensive practice gives you abetter taste of a practice's function. Ultimately it all still boils down to the three statements of Garab Dorje and learning exactly where our limitations and tensions are found.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Fa Dao » Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:26 pm

Kelwin wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:56 pm
As usual, I'm amazed at the clarity of his transmission. Beyond anything. He truly is my Guru in that sense.

And yet, as usual, I'm unsure how to continue in the Dzogchen Community. I practice the Short Tun, have met the small local sangha, and I know the SMS program exists. But really, what is the next step if I truly want to make the jump from my Kagyu/Nyingma background to practicing in the blessing of Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche? The lack of structure gives a lot of freedom, but also, well, a lack of structure.

Also, I am somewhat bothered by the fact that I never talked with him, and maybe never will. Not that I have any real questions, it makes it somewhat strange to consider him my Guru.

Any advice? Thank you.
Guruyoga and SOV as much as you can throughout the day...formally as in the Thuns or informally as in just do it whenever, wherever, as much as possible. EVERYTHING else is basically a secondary practice to be practiced as needed. In other words if you have obstacles arising do some Guru Tragpgur or Simhamukha, want to work on your well, whatever, then he has a practice he has given most likely. It is easy to get distracted away from Guruyoga and SOV by all of the really cool secondary practices..I know...that was me until recently...even though he has said NUMEROUS times that the only thing he tells people they need to work on is Guruyoga and SOV. By the way, did I mention Guruyoga and SOV?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Aryjna » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:55 pm

Miroku wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:30 pm
Find sth you are interested in. For example yantra yoga, dance of vajra, SMS, Mandarava, anything. :) But be present and do gy and sov every day. :) Maybe small retreat on some semdzin or rushen would help. And do ganapujas even if alone.
Has ChNNR said that it is better to do a ganapuja instead of thun at home?

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Thomas Amundsen » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:17 pm

Aryjna wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:55 pm
Miroku wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:30 pm
Find sth you are interested in. For example yantra yoga, dance of vajra, SMS, Mandarava, anything. :) But be present and do gy and sov every day. :) Maybe small retreat on some semdzin or rushen would help. And do ganapujas even if alone.
Has ChNNR said that it is better to do a ganapuja instead of thun at home?
Everyone does ganapuja on the 10th and 25th days, right?

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Malcolm » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:18 pm

Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:17 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:55 pm
Miroku wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:30 pm
Find sth you are interested in. For example yantra yoga, dance of vajra, SMS, Mandarava, anything. :) But be present and do gy and sov every day. :) Maybe small retreat on some semdzin or rushen would help. And do ganapujas even if alone.
Has ChNNR said that it is better to do a ganapuja instead of thun at home?
Everyone does ganapuja on the 10th and 25th days, right?
Generally, if one is alone one does the full medium thun with protectors instead of ganapuja.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Motova » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:27 pm

Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:17 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:55 pm
Miroku wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:30 pm
Find sth you are interested in. For example yantra yoga, dance of vajra, SMS, Mandarava, anything. :) But be present and do gy and sov every day. :) Maybe small retreat on some semdzin or rushen would help. And do ganapujas even if alone.
Has ChNNR said that it is better to do a ganapuja instead of thun at home?
Everyone does ganapuja on the 10th and 25th days, right?
I thought ChNN said we should do it on Full Moon, Guru Rinpoche Day, New Moon, and Dakini Day.
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:18 pm
Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:17 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:55 pm


Has ChNNR said that it is better to do a ganapuja instead of thun at home?
Everyone does ganapuja on the 10th and 25th days, right?
Generally, if one is alone one does the full medium thun with protectors instead of ganapuja.
:jawdrop:

Can you please explain why?

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Post by Thomas Amundsen » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:06 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:18 pm
Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:17 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:55 pm


Has ChNNR said that it is better to do a ganapuja instead of thun at home?
Everyone does ganapuja on the 10th and 25th days, right?
Generally, if one is alone one does the full medium thun with protectors instead of ganapuja.
I stand corrected. Interesting!

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Post by aryhan » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:25 pm

Greetings.

Does anyone have knowledge regarding work exchange at Tsegyalgar West, or possibly other locations?

My situation is as follows: I'm 22-years-old, with stable and increasing interest in Buddhism, that's been narrowed down further to Dzogchen and Vajrayana during the last year. I've found myself unwilling to apply to universities before I've stabilised mental clarity more - I want to get things (ethically etc.) as right as possible from the beginning, as I'm considering careers in fields such as economics. Thus, work exchange with the possibility to attend teachings and practise during the evenings would be perfect for me in the near future.

However, I lack work experience worthy of much mention - jobs are badly available at my home country and I'm young - and cannot speak Spanish. I could learn the basics in a few months. Does it make any sense to even apply? Are they clearly looking for more skilled people? Any other thoughts on what I could do? Thanks!

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Malcolm » Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:33 pm

Motova wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:27 pm
Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:17 pm
Aryjna wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:55 pm


Has ChNNR said that it is better to do a ganapuja instead of thun at home?
Everyone does ganapuja on the 10th and 25th days, right?
I thought ChNN said we should do it on Full Moon, Guru Rinpoche Day, New Moon, and Dakini Day.
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:18 pm
Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:17 pm


Everyone does ganapuja on the 10th and 25th days, right?
Generally, if one is alone one does the full medium thun with protectors instead of ganapuja.
:jawdrop:

Can you please explain why?
Because there is no group (gana) with whom one is making offerings (puja). On the other hand, these days they frequently webcast the ganapujas, so you can just get a little tsogs articles and participate that way.
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Pero » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:56 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:33 pm
Motova wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:27 pm
Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:17 pm


Everyone does ganapuja on the 10th and 25th days, right?
I thought ChNN said we should do it on Full Moon, Guru Rinpoche Day, New Moon, and Dakini Day.
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:18 pm


Generally, if one is alone one does the full medium thun with protectors instead of ganapuja.
:jawdrop:

Can you please explain why?
Because there is no group (gana) with whom one is making offerings (puja). On the other hand, these days they frequently webcast the ganapujas, so you can just get a little tsogs articles and participate that way.
Haha I did not know that either. No wonder I had someone look at me a bit oddly years ago when I was asked how do I practice ganapuja's if there's no community and I said I just do it on my own LOL. In retrospect it's funny I never actually considered this. On the other hand I can't recally any mention that one can't/shouldn't do it by himself either. Is there some problem if you do it by yourself, Malcolm?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by heart » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:20 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:33 pm
Motova wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:27 pm
Thomas Amundsen wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:17 pm


Everyone does ganapuja on the 10th and 25th days, right?
I thought ChNN said we should do it on Full Moon, Guru Rinpoche Day, New Moon, and Dakini Day.
Malcolm wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:18 pm


Generally, if one is alone one does the full medium thun with protectors instead of ganapuja.
:jawdrop:

Can you please explain why?
Because there is no group (gana) with whom one is making offerings (puja). On the other hand, these days they frequently webcast the ganapujas, so you can just get a little tsogs articles and participate that way.
But isn't there always a group when doing a ganapuja, a rather big gathering actually, even if there is only one human.

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Post by Mantrik » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:44 pm

heart wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:20 pm
But isn't there always a group when doing a ganapuja, a rather big gathering actually, even if there is only one human.

/magnus
Good point, but does the 'gana' have to comprise those performing the puja, offerings etc., as opposed to invited beings who are participating and benefiting?
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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Aryjna » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:09 am

In the Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja ChNNR says that gana refers to the accumulation of merits.

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Post by amanitamusc » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:04 am

Doing Ganachakra is best, just not so easy.

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Spelare » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:43 am

If I want to dedicate time to reading a Dzogchen text, say a tantra or a terma, does it make sense to integrate that into a thun? If so, at what point in the thun should I do it? The goal I have in mind is that being in the right frame of mind should help me get more out of the text, and also reading certain texts can be an aid to contemplation. Are there any established procedures for this, or is this a matter of individual preference?

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by javier.espinoza.t » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:07 am

Spelare wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:43 am
If I want to dedicate time to reading a Dzogchen text, say a tantra or a terma, does it make sense to integrate that into a thun? If so, at what point in the thun should I do it? The goal I have in mind is that being in the right frame of mind should help me get more out of the text, and also reading certain texts can be an aid to contemplation. Are there any established procedures for this, or is this a matter of individual preference?
don't know, but used to read sutras after guruyoga
i don't see any problem with that

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Re: Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

Post by Malcolm » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:08 am

Aryjna wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:09 am
In the Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja ChNNR says that gana refers to the accumulation of merits.

This is also true, the term gaṇa (tshogs) definitely means a group/grouping of both/either things and beings.
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