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I lost my job today...
Re: I lost my job today...
thats so far from the reality of the situation .
you would do well to try and understand a tad about what it means to practice Lotus Buddhism .
Again your statement is about a samsaric eternal nightmare...do you want to get off that trip or dwell with it in the way you deal with your life now.
Re: I lost my job today...
then, take credit for the message in the picture you posted.... the classic samaric nightmare of power and it's long implication.
Not last night,
not this morning,
melon flowers bloomed.
~ Bassho
not this morning,
melon flowers bloomed.
~ Bassho
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Re: I lost my job today...
Remember when the asura asked you why you were constantly living in "lower life conditions", Minobu? You got awfully mad at him.Minobu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:06 pmthats so far from the reality of the situation .
you would do well to try and understand a tad about what it means to practice Lotus Buddhism .
Again your statement is about a samsaric eternal nightmare...do you want to get off that trip or dwell with it in the way you deal with your life now.
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
Re: I lost my job today...
ah!
i see poor lindhama needs help saving her from the dreaded reality of Nichiren buddhism as portrayed by the mean and nasty minobu...i've been told people via pm poison letters from the nether regions of DW./
we got Coëmgenu at 2:41 timestamp roflmao.
look there is a lot that modern day psychiatry can do for people in the proper hands.
and a lot of well and good is done in social services...
but none of this is the cause for Buddhahood or stemming the repeats in life after life..
so like Coëmgenu if you want to save lindama from anything ...save her from herself.
i see poor lindhama needs help saving her from the dreaded reality of Nichiren buddhism as portrayed by the mean and nasty minobu...i've been told people via pm poison letters from the nether regions of DW./
we got Coëmgenu at 2:41 timestamp roflmao.
look there is a lot that modern day psychiatry can do for people in the proper hands.
and a lot of well and good is done in social services...
but none of this is the cause for Buddhahood or stemming the repeats in life after life..
so like Coëmgenu if you want to save lindama from anything ...save her from herself.
Re: I lost my job today...
thank you very much, I have no complaints
Not last night,
not this morning,
melon flowers bloomed.
~ Bassho
not this morning,
melon flowers bloomed.
~ Bassho
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Re: I lost my job today...
You don't even know what your own practice is man, but you pull this nonsense on me.
Terrible things may well happen to you when you chant. Indeed, regardless of it you chant. Lindama is absolutely correct in saying this, and you are levelling a cloud of obfuscation at her.
Case-and-point: the OP chanted. The OP lost his job. The OP chanted.
Even if he had retained his job against all odds, that he chanted would be the miracle, not his retention of employment.
For that matter, no matter what you get when you chant, the chanting is the miracle, not what you think you got for it.
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
Re: I lost my job today...
I'm rather dense and don't understand the hubub above... but this I agree with wholeheartedly.
To hear the Buddhist teachings and to be able to practice them is a wonder.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
Re: I lost my job today...
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
Re: I lost my job today...
just so you know...i'm not actually talking about the drivel that happens in samsara...lost job , wife cheats on you, gets cancer...Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:41 pmYou don't even know what your own practice is man, but you pull this nonsense on me.
Terrible things may well happen to you when you chant. Indeed, regardless of it you chant. Lindama is absolutely correct in saying this, and you are levelling a cloud of obfuscation at her.
Case-and-point: the OP chanted. The OP lost his job. The OP chanted.
Even if he had retained his job against all odds, that he chanted would be the miracle, not his retention of employment.
For that matter, no matter what you get when you chant, the chanting is the miracle, not what you think you got for it.
all this stuff...is just stuff that happens down here....
from a Nichiren Buddhist perspective ...thats the leaves of the tree...each year or in our case each life they return...turn yellow and die only to come back next year or next life...
i might sound all harsh and sgt majoreee but this practice is to end all that...
we use the drivel...no matter how harsh or how trivial...we use the drivel to end it...
so like i'm coming off cold...cause it's drivel.... samsaric drivel ... the real task at hand is ending it all..
or using to learn and develop..
the practice is designed for the average joe caught in samsara ....read the goshos...see where Nichiren Shonin used the daily life happenings of the peasants and Samurai to encourage them to carry on..with their practice in spite of it all.
we are not on the same page here...
i'm not here to debate the workings of social work or psychiatry...thats a whole other paradigm and life system. Lindmama no matter how well intentioned is talking this whole lost job thing from like ..well not from a life after life karmic samsaric view..
she said ...in a Nichiren section..
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Re: I lost my job today...
This "new maturity" could well be a better understanding of Nichiren Buddhism, in which we are mature enough to continue practice and to practice at all despite either getting or not getting what we want.
She clarified what she meant. You don't seem to accept that? This is a perfectly reasonable thing to say because it is perfectly true. Jobs can be lost chanting or not chanting.Minobu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:06 pmthats so far from the reality of the situation .
you would do well to try and understand a tad about what it means to practice Lotus Buddhism .
Again your statement is about a samsaric eternal nightmare...do you want to get off that trip or dwell with it in the way you deal with your life now.
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
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Re: I lost my job today...
This framing of things as "drivel in samsara", lost job, wife cheats, someone gets cancer, this framing of things as "stuff that happens down here", this only the leaves of the tree, would Ven Nichiren not refer to that as the seperate teaching? Samsara vs dharmakaya? That separation?Minobu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:55 pm just so you know...i'm not actually talking about the drivel that happens in samsara...lost job , wife cheats on you, gets cancer...
all this stuff...is just stuff that happens down here....
from a Nichiren Buddhist perspective ...thats the leaves of the tree...each year or in our case each life they return...turn yellow and die only to come back next year or next life...
i might sound all harsh and sgt majoreee but this practice is to end all that...
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
Re: I lost my job today...
I realize you two are having a particular discussion, but pertinent to this thread...
Losing your job in the course of samsaric ups and downs is one thing. Losing your job because of your practice is another. In the latter case, this is the suffering of persecution for the sake of the dharma and has a different meaning and implication.
Teachings on such persecutions can be found in the series of personal letters to Shijo Kingo. Shijo Kingo was a close supporter of Nichiren. He was a samurai as well as a medical doctor. For a time, he lost his fief because his lord opposed his practice. Shortly after, Shijo Kingo's lord fell ill, and despite the falling out, Shijo Kingo went to treat his lord and cured him. His fief was restored and additional lands were given to him.
Part of Shijo Kingo's story, he was pretty Alpha - kind of stereotypical macho warrior who liked to party hard. In the course of carousing, he was often staggering around town late at night. In a series of letters Nichiren advised him to exercise caution when he went out at night because there were other samurai who harbored enmity against him due to his relatively elevated status and his staunch and outspoken faith in the Lotus. They wanted to kill him.
One of those counsels is one of my favorites:
"Drink sake only at home with your wife, and chant Namu-myoho-renge-kyo. Suffer what there is to suffer, enjoy what there is to enjoy. Regard both suffering and joy as facts of life, and continue chanting Namu-myoho-renge-kyo, no matter what happens. How could this be anything other than the boundless joy of the Dharma? Strengthen your power of faith more than ever."
Later, when Nichiren was sentenced to be beheaded, Shijo Kingo and his brothers accompanied Nichiren to the execution ground and resolved to die with their teacher. The execution never happened... miraculously. Another story.
You can visit a temple in Kamakura today that was Shijo Kingo's residence.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
Re: I lost my job today...
it's metaphor.Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:10 pmThis framing of things as "drivel in samsara", lost job, wife cheats, someone gets cancer, this framing of things as "stuff that happens down here", this only the leaves of the tree, would Ven Nichiren not refer to that as the seperate teaching? Samsara vs dharmakaya? That separation?Minobu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:55 pm just so you know...i'm not actually talking about the drivel that happens in samsara...lost job , wife cheats on you, gets cancer...
all this stuff...is just stuff that happens down here....
from a Nichiren Buddhist perspective ...thats the leaves of the tree...each year or in our case each life they return...turn yellow and die only to come back next year or next life...
i might sound all harsh and sgt majoreee but this practice is to end all that...
leaves of the tree are like your life and all the different karmic appearances in one's life.
pruning the leaves and making the tree look more appealing...you are still grooming the effects...the leaves..
the sap that makes the tree is like your karma..
as long as the sap remains the same the same karma is played out over and over...hence the same leaves year after year.
This Practice is all about cause and effect /or our karma..
one must deal with the root cause...the karma..
for me the practice is like an alchemy to solve that ...
nothing that happens is coincidental...or
she misses the karmic connection to it all..it is offensive in the sense it is not even hinting at the fact all that we all are are resulting from karmic results.Lindama wrote:
well, the fact is, jobs can be lost chanting or not chanting. Things happen. Life happens. I mean no offense to Buddhism.
shit happens..meh...
that will keep you locked in the cycle of samsara forever...
so if i sound cold ..it's because she ignores , and now you, everything that is taught in Nichiren's gosho.
it's simple.
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Re: I lost my job today...
Well, "shit happens meh" can be likened to Buddhadharma without the implied apathy, which I certainly did not read into the post in question.
Monks, an uninstructed run-of-the-mill person feels feelings of pleasure, feelings of pain, feelings of neither-pleasure-nor-pain. A well-instructed disciple of the noble ones also feels feelings of pleasure, feelings of pain, feelings of neither-pleasure-nor-pain. So what difference, what distinction, what distinguishing factor is there between the well-instructed disciple of the noble ones and the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person?
(Sallasutta)
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
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Re: I lost my job today...
"Dear OP, you lost your job because when you were the duke of a vast kingdom on a far-off world-system you embezzled money".Minobu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:29 pm
nothing that happens is coincidental...orshe misses the karmic connection to it all..it is offensive in the sense it is not even hinting at the fact all that we all are are resulting from karmic results.Lindama wrote:
well, the fact is, jobs can be lost chanting or not chanting. Things happen. Life happens. I mean no offense to Buddhism.
Is that substantially more helpful?
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
Re: I lost my job today...
we are in the Nichiren section...you said i don't know what i am talking about...Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:34 pm Well, "shit happens meh" can be likened to Buddhadharma without the implied apathy, which I certainly did not read into the post in question.
Monks, an uninstructed run-of-the-mill person feels feelings of pleasure, feelings of pain, feelings of neither-pleasure-nor-pain. A well-instructed disciple of the noble ones also feels feelings of pleasure, feelings of pain, feelings of neither-pleasure-nor-pain. So what difference, what distinction, what distinguishing factor is there between the well-instructed disciple of the noble ones and the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person?
(Sallasutta)
i kept it simple...and with the proper care in directing the focus to practice and the simple reason as to why...
she is asking for us not to chant...be adults....so i guess you are too. there is something more adult and effective than chanting...
cool ...knock yourself out.
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very adult and caring of you..Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:38 pm"Dear OP, you lost your job because when you were the duke of a vast kingdom on a far-off world-system you embezzled money".Minobu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:29 pm
nothing that happens is coincidental...orshe misses the karmic connection to it all..it is offensive in the sense it is not even hinting at the fact all that we all are are resulting from karmic results.Lindama wrote:
well, the fact is, jobs can be lost chanting or not chanting. Things happen. Life happens. I mean no offense to Buddhism.
Is that substantially more helpful?
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Re: I lost my job today...
I'm just trying to understand your complaint. You said she is "not even hinting at the fact all that we all are are resulting from karmic results". Hence my reply.
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
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Re: I lost my job today...
I read the exchange very differently. I read an OP stating that he lost his job. I read a Lindama saying that such things will happen regardless of practice. That is the cold-water-on-the-face reality, the "all harsh and sgt majoree" truth. Lindama gave it, not you.Minobu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:39 pmwe are in the Nichiren section...you said i don't know what i am talking about...Coëmgenu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:34 pm Well, "shit happens meh" can be likened to Buddhadharma without the implied apathy, which I certainly did not read into the post in question.
Monks, an uninstructed run-of-the-mill person feels feelings of pleasure, feelings of pain, feelings of neither-pleasure-nor-pain. A well-instructed disciple of the noble ones also feels feelings of pleasure, feelings of pain, feelings of neither-pleasure-nor-pain. So what difference, what distinction, what distinguishing factor is there between the well-instructed disciple of the noble ones and the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person?
(Sallasutta)
i kept it simple...and with the proper care in directing the focus to practice and the simple reason as to why...
she is asking for us not to chant...be adults....so i guess you are too. there is something more adult and effective than chanting...
cool ...knock yourself out.
If one were to teach the opposite, then people would leave Nichiren Buddhism the second they didn't get what they chanted for.
Then, the monks uttered this gāthā:
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)
These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and ruined.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?
The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
(T1.27b10 Mahāparinirvāṇasūtra DĀ 2)