Malcolm wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:07 pm
Stefos wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:20 pm
Also, In Vedanta, Chaitanya or Pure Awareness is our actual state and THIS accords perfectly with Mahamudra & Dzogchen and
what the Pali texts teach.
No. Vedanta is specifically refuted by Dzogchen tantras, and so is their concept of nonduality.
Hello Malcom.......thank you for contributing,
I take the position of a person who is lacking in particular aspects of Dzogchen and Mahamudra and their contradistinction to Advaita Vedanta and Kashmiri Shaivism.
So........From that point onwards:
Again.........Chaitanya which is to say "Pure Awareness" is the same as Mahamudra/Dzogchen.....I see nothing different.
Furthermore the Nirguna Brahman is Chaitanya.....Not a "deity" or a worldly guardian or a fairy, pixie or sprite or 7up for that matter.
I don't see how this differs from the Primordial State.
Also, What about the Mahamudra view?
The Alayavijnana is none other than Chaitanya itself as Karma cannot accumulate to momentary kalapas/particles.
This is all part of the Tantric mixing, as it were, around the 8th, 9th and 10th centuries in the Area of Kashmir and India & Nepal.
I don't see the "nitty gritty" of the Vedantic or Kashmiri Shaivite view and Dzogchen/Mahamudra view being simply discussed and contrasted anywhere really.
Any input to this effect, Malcolm, would be appreciated sir AS ALWAYS...emphasis mine.
Finally, Can you refer me to a research source which explains how gods like Shiva, Tara, etc. were transformed into lokapalas?
This has zero precedent in the Pali texts, outside of Brahma beseeching the Lord Buddha to turn the Dhamma wheel, and I've only managed to find Mahayana Dharanis on Ganapati actually.
Mangalam,
Stefos
P.S. This becomes rather confusing given the nature of Momentariness in the mix.
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