Skillful means and Dzogchen

[CedarTree]

Please elaborate

Namkhai Norbu might teach on this in the next couple of days.

Kevin

You know I like your views start opening up it's a forum.

[Virgo]

You know I like your views start opening up it's a forum.

Its the kind of thing you should hear from a Guru, failing that, an expert like Malcolm, but he doesn't have time to answer every post.

Kevin

[CedarTree]

You know I like your views start opening up it's a forum.

Its the kind of thing you should hear from a Guru, failing that, an expert like Malcolm, but he doesn't have time to answer every post.

Kevin

You have learned them, pass it on brother

Lol in all honesty you don't give yourself enough credit, excellent knowledge source. Should help and answer as you are probably better than a lot of gurus out there maybe not counting the most famous and accomplished.

[Norwegian]

You know I like your views start opening up it's a forum.

Its the kind of thing you should hear from a Guru, failing that, an expert like Malcolm, but he doesn't have time to answer every post.

Kevin

You have learned them, pass it on brother

Lol in all honesty you don't give yourself enough credit, excellent knowledge source. Should help and answer as you are probably better than a lot of gurus out there maybe not counting the most famous and accomplished.

You're full of it.

We are not teachers here. We're just forum posters. Dzogchen you don't learn on a forum. You learn from a qualified Dzogchen master.

Please respect that.

[Virgo]

Lol in all honesty you don't give yourself enough credit, excellent knowledge source. Should help and answer as you are probably better than a lot of gurus out there maybe not counting the most famous and accomplished.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I lack the requisite qualifications. I am the type of person that wishes to help support the Teachers he has confidence in.

Kevih

[Simon E.]

Its the kind of thing you should hear from a Guru, failing that, an expert like Malcolm, but he doesn't have time to answer every post.

Kevin

You have learned them, pass it on brother

Lol in all honesty you don't give yourself enough credit, excellent knowledge source. Should help and answer as you are probably better than a lot of gurus out there maybe not counting the most famous and accomplished.

You're full of it.

We are not teachers here. We're just forum posters. Dzogchen you don't learn on a forum. You learn from a qualified Dzogchen master.

Please respect that.

This.

[Simon E.]

Lol in all honesty you don't give yourself enough credit, excellent knowledge source. Should help and answer as you are probably better than a lot of gurus out there maybe not counting the most famous and accomplished.

I appreciate the sentiment, but I lack the requisite qualifications. I am the type of person that wishes to help support the Teachers he has confidence in.

Kevih

And this...

[Natan]

Intentional action is always a product of the sems 'byung or caitta, called "cetana" or volition; a mental factor always which accompanies the mind (citta, sems).

Thank you for your response Malcolm. Does the spontaneous compassion of the basis produce action in the same way that mind produces action? Is the difference simply that cetana-motivated action produces karma while the spontaneous expression of rigpa in behavior does not? It seems like cetana is almost like a "middle man" in the compassion > volition > action chain. Is rigpa more like compassion > action? I think I'm trying to wrap my head around how the continuity of one's character traits and behaviors is maintained following a direct encounter with one's own nature. Why don't those with direct knowledge of rigpa engage in precisely the same actions when dwelling in their own state? I've seen on this forum where you've posted that minds are individual yet possessing the same qualities. This makes sense to me. In the state of rigpa, are we all simply acting precisely the way Samantabhadra would act in the presence of someone without knowledge of their own state?

When one has direct knowledge of one's own state, and sees that it is the solution to the existential problem for suffering, one automatically feels compassion for those that do not have this knowledge. It is just like someone who has fire seeing how the lives of those who do not know how to make fire will be immeasurably improved if they learned how to make fire.

The compassion of the basis however, is something else entirely. It is related to the nirmanakāya. Samantabhadra does not have a mind, per se. The activity of the buddhas is beyond thought, karma, etc. It is like the action of a wishfulfilling gem.

Dude all the wish-fulfilling gems I run across on a daily basis are real party animals.

[dzogchungpa]

Thank you for your response Malcolm. Does the spontaneous compassion of the basis produce action in the same way that mind produces action? Is the difference simply that cetana-motivated action produces karma while the spontaneous expression of rigpa in behavior does not? It seems like cetana is almost like a "middle man" in the compassion > volition > action chain. Is rigpa more like compassion > action? I think I'm trying to wrap my head around how the continuity of one's character traits and behaviors is maintained following a direct encounter with one's own nature. Why don't those with direct knowledge of rigpa engage in precisely the same actions when dwelling in their own state? I've seen on this forum where you've posted that minds are individual yet possessing the same qualities. This makes sense to me. In the state of rigpa, are we all simply acting precisely the way Samantabhadra would act in the presence of someone without knowledge of their own state?

When one has direct knowledge of one's own state, and sees that it is the solution to the existential problem for suffering, one automatically feels compassion for those that do not have this knowledge. It is just like someone who has fire seeing how the lives of those who do not know how to make fire will be immeasurably improved if they learned how to make fire.

The compassion of the basis however, is something else entirely. It is related to the nirmanakāya. Samantabhadra does not have a mind, per se. The activity of the buddhas is beyond thought, karma, etc. It is like the action of a wishfulfilling gem.

Dude all the wish-fulfilling gems I run across on a daily basis are real party animals.

This.

[amanitamusc]

When one has direct knowledge of one's own state, and sees that it is the solution to the existential problem for suffering, one automatically feels compassion for those that do not have this knowledge. It is just like someone who has fire seeing how the lives of those who do not know how to make fire will be immeasurably improved if they learned how to make fire.

The compassion of the basis however, is something else entirely. It is related to the nirmanakāya. Samantabhadra does not have a mind, per se. The activity of the buddhas is beyond thought, karma, etc. It is like the action of a wishfulfilling gem.

Dude all the wish-fulfilling gems I run across on a daily basis are real party animals.

This.

Is foolish.

[dzogchungpa]

Dude all the wish-fulfilling gems I run across on a daily basis are real party animals.

This.

Is foolish.

And this...

[amanitamusc]

This.

Is foolish.

And this...

Is not.

[Natan]

This.

Is foolish.

And this...

Is a fool

[dzogchungpa]

Is foolish.

And this...

Is a fool

Oh snap!

[CedarTree]

Then don't post on forums and close the section completely

Many here should be wise enough to know the difference between looking for the crumbs of skillfull information that can be very helpful and looking for the moments of direct encountering with a teacher.

I know this is a forum and so do others. People aren't stupid.

Grow up and show your cards if you have any and allow things to sprout and grow.

If you don't have any cards that's fine.

And don't think only teachers have cards. The great teachers have something of a different nature than tidbits of knowledge and philosophical questions. You all should know this in your practice.

Learn the differences friends and why this forum exists.

(Before someone tries to make some quick jabs I know it's more complicated than this but it is also beyond the paradigms your trying to apply as "It" on it.)

[PuerAzaelis]

Then don't post on forums and close the section completely

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.
Multiple characters, Battlestar Galactica

[CedarTree]

Then don't post on forums and close the section completely

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.
Multiple characters, Battlestar Galactica

Love it lol

[florin]

What are you on about?
Who closed which forum and why?
What's going on?

[Norwegian]

CedarTree,

This isn't Tao Bums, just FYI.

[dzogchungpa]

What are you on about?
Who closed which forum and why?
What's going on?

Probably a reference to the closing of the E-Sangha Dzogchen forum.