Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by fckw » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am

I know lung, but what’s the difference to wang and specially Pewang?

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by heart » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:32 pm

fckw wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am
I know lung, but what’s the difference to wang and specially Pewang?
A pewang is a text blessing after which you can read the texts yourself but you can't pass it onto someone else. With lung you theoretically can do that.

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Malcolm » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:12 pm

heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:32 pm
fckw wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am
I know lung, but what’s the difference to wang and specially Pewang?
A pewang is a text blessing after which you can read the texts yourself but you can't pass it onto someone else. With lung you theoretically can do that.

/magnus
There are differences of opinion on this point.
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The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by heart » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:14 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:12 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:32 pm
fckw wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am
I know lung, but what’s the difference to wang and specially Pewang?
A pewang is a text blessing after which you can read the texts yourself but you can't pass it onto someone else. With lung you theoretically can do that.

/magnus
There are differences of opinion on this point.
This is what CNR told me while giving me a pewang, I never heard anything else about it.

/magnus
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"The principal practice is Guruyoga. But we need to understand that any secondary practice combined with Guruyoga becomes a principal practice." ChNNR (Teachings on Thun and Ganapuja)

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Malcolm » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:16 pm

heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:14 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:12 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:32 pm


A pewang is a text blessing after which you can read the texts yourself but you can't pass it onto someone else. With lung you theoretically can do that.

/magnus
There are differences of opinion on this point.
This is what CNR told me while giving me a pewang, I never heard anything else about it.

/magnus
As I said, there are different opinions about this, just like everything else in Tibetan Buddhism.
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[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by fckw » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:59 pm

heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:32 pm
fckw wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am
I know lung, but what’s the difference to wang and specially Pewang?
A pewang is a text blessing after which you can read the texts yourself but you can't pass it onto someone else. With lung you theoretically can do that.

/magnus
Now I am puzzled. I have never heard that a lung authorizes you - even if just theoretically - to pass a text further. So, what are the different positions on this point, what would be the prerequisites?

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Malcolm » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:31 pm

fckw wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:59 pm
heart wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:32 pm
fckw wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:51 am
I know lung, but what’s the difference to wang and specially Pewang?
A pewang is a text blessing after which you can read the texts yourself but you can't pass it onto someone else. With lung you theoretically can do that.

/magnus
Now I am puzzled. I have never heard that a lung authorizes you - even if just theoretically - to pass a text further. So, what are the different positions on this point, what would be the prerequisites?
Yes, there is a saying in Tibet, "Even a dog's tail can give a lung."

Basically, if you have the lung, you can give the lung. Whether anyone would want to lung from you is another issue, since receiving a lung from someone entails commitments to that person.
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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Lobsang Chojor » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:45 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:31 pm
Yes, there is a saying in Tibet, "Even a dog's tail can give a lung."

Basically, if you have the lung, you can give the lung. Whether anyone would want to lung from you is another issue, since receiving a lung from someone entails commitments to that person.
What commitments does it entail?
"Morality does not become pure unless darkness is dispelled by the light of wisdom"
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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Malcolm » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:21 pm

Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:45 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:31 pm
Yes, there is a saying in Tibet, "Even a dog's tail can give a lung."

Basically, if you have the lung, you can give the lung. Whether anyone would want to lung from you is another issue, since receiving a lung from someone entails commitments to that person.
What commitments does it entail?
The same as receiving an empowerment, but not as strong.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Lobsang Chojor » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:03 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:21 pm
Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:45 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:31 pm
Yes, there is a saying in Tibet, "Even a dog's tail can give a lung."

Basically, if you have the lung, you can give the lung. Whether anyone would want to lung from you is another issue, since receiving a lung from someone entails commitments to that person.
What commitments does it entail?
The same as receiving an empowerment, but not as strong.
:thanks: Is there a book that you recommend on the commitments and vows?
"Morality does not become pure unless darkness is dispelled by the light of wisdom"
  • Aryasura, Paramitasamasa 6.5
ༀ་ཨ་ར་པ་ཙ་ན་དྷཱི༔ Oṃ A Ra Pa Ca Na Dhīḥ

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Malcolm » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:14 am

Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:03 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:21 pm
Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:45 pm

What commitments does it entail?
The same as receiving an empowerment, but not as strong.
:thanks: Is there a book that you recommend on the commitments and vows?
BTW, this only counts for Vajrayāna materials...
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Lobsang Chojor » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:16 am

Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:14 am
Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:03 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:21 pm


The same as receiving an empowerment, but not as strong.
:thanks: Is there a book that you recommend on the commitments and vows?
BTW, this only counts for Vajrayāna materials...
I did think so, is there an equivalent for sutra materials?
"Morality does not become pure unless darkness is dispelled by the light of wisdom"
  • Aryasura, Paramitasamasa 6.5
ༀ་ཨ་ར་པ་ཙ་ན་དྷཱི༔ Oṃ A Ra Pa Ca Na Dhīḥ

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Malcolm » Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:08 am

Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:16 am
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:14 am
Lobsang Chojor wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:03 pm

:thanks: Is there a book that you recommend on the commitments and vows?
BTW, this only counts for Vajrayāna materials...
I did think so, is there an equivalent for sutra materials?
Nothing apart from the general exhortation to regard anyone from whom one receives Dharma teachings to be like a Buddha.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Post by Ogaf » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:28 am

My thanks to you all for your help.

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Post by Yeti » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:05 pm

It's good to receive this empowerment if you are practicing anything in the Nyingma dzogchen. In fact, when this was given by Kyabje Trulshik Rinpoche in 2004 Tulku Pema Wangyal told everyone to tell all their Dharma friends to drop everything and come and receive this, because, until current times, it was rarely given in public... only in small groups of dedicated practitioners.

Most of us will not actually do the practices involved, but it's a ripening blessing for all our main practices.

When someone asked Tulku Pema Wangyal about the benefits of this transmission... he said... the benefits will appear during one's journey in the bardo.
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Post by MiphamFan » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:46 pm

Mutsuk mentioned before that Khenpo Jigme Phuntsog wrote a practice manual for the Nyingthig Yabzhi. Not sure if one could approach one of his Khenpos for the transmission.

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Post by Karinos » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:51 pm

Those who will go to Benchen monastery please read below:

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practice samaya for receiving empowerment will be to recite min 100k Vajrasattva mantra

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by Pero » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:55 pm

MiphamFan wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:46 pm
Mutsuk mentioned before that Khenpo Jigme Phuntsog wrote a practice manual for the Nyingthig Yabzhi. Not sure if one could approach one of his Khenpos for the transmission.
Wow! When you say "one of his", you mean Garchen Rinpoche or Jigme Phuntosk's?
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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by MiphamFan » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:07 am

Pero wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:55 pm
MiphamFan wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:46 pm
Mutsuk mentioned before that Khenpo Jigme Phuntsog wrote a practice manual for the Nyingthig Yabzhi. Not sure if one could approach one of his Khenpos for the transmission.
Wow! When you say "one of his", you mean Garchen Rinpoche or Jigme Phuntosk's?
Khenpo Jigphun I mean.

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Re: Garchen Nyingtig Yabshi Germany 2018 Questions

Post by amanitamusc » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:17 am

MiphamFan wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:07 am
Pero wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:55 pm
MiphamFan wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:46 pm
Mutsuk mentioned before that Khenpo Jigme Phuntsog wrote a practice manual for the Nyingthig Yabzhi. Not sure if one could approach one of his Khenpos for the transmission.
Wow! When you say "one of his", you mean Garchen Rinpoche or Jigme Phuntosk's?
Khenpo Jigphun I mean.
A few of the Tibetans staying at the Garchen Institute have teachings from KJPR but i don't know if any have that
particular one.

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