Chogyam Trungpa

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Chogyam Trungpa

Post by HandsomeMonkeyking » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:45 pm

Being too young to have experienced it myself, I have often heard "bad stories", and then some very good ones about Chogyam Trungpa only recently.

Honestly I never started to read a book of him for the reason of the bad stories.

I wonder, what stuff did actually happen, and what made him such a controversial figure.

I learned now that one of my teachers speaks highly of him. In any regard I try not to judge or condemn or anything. Still I am curious of what was going on.

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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by Wayfarer » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:01 am

You could do worse than reading the article on Wikipedia about him, and then following up on the references it provides.
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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by muni » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:48 am

There is plenty about on internet.
This short talk can help, not only to get an idea, but also an important point:
“ Only the development of compassion and understanding for others can bring us the tranquility and happiness we all seek. ”
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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by Simon E. » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:54 am

I was his student for 16 years.

But I will leave the thread to the experts.

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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by Miroku » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:16 am

Simon E. wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:54 am
I was his student for 16 years.

But I will leave the thread to the experts.

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Please don't. I was waiting for your reply. :smile:
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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by dzogchungpa » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:49 am

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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by SunWuKong » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:56 am

muni wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:48 am
There is plenty about on internet.
This short talk can help, not only to get an idea, but also an important point:
That’s Allen Ginsberg and Peter Orlovsky in the front row
"We are magical animals that roam" ~ Roam

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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by Grigoris » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:58 am

Oh look, another CTR thread, how exciting! :roll:
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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by PeterC » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm

HandsomeMonkeyking wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:45 pm
Being too young to have experienced it myself, I have often heard "bad stories", and then some very good ones about Chogyam Trungpa only recently.

Honestly I never started to read a book of him for the reason of the bad stories.

I wonder, what stuff did actually happen, and what made him such a controversial figure.

I learned now that one of my teachers speaks highly of him. In any regard I try not to judge or condemn or anything. Still I am curious of what was going on.
This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.

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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by boda » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:14 pm

PeterC wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm
HandsomeMonkeyking wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:45 pm
Being too young to have experienced it myself, I have often heard "bad stories", and then some very good ones about Chogyam Trungpa only recently.

Honestly I never started to read a book of him for the reason of the bad stories.

I wonder, what stuff did actually happen, and what made him such a controversial figure.

I learned now that one of my teachers speaks highly of him. In any regard I try not to judge or condemn or anything. Still I am curious of what was going on.
This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.
Okay, let's start with his principle student Osel Tendzin: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/21/us/bu ... issue.html

Crazy wisdom or just bad?

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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by justsit » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:39 pm

Oh please, not again. Ancient news. That subject has been discussed ad nauseam in any number of threads.

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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by amanitamusc » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:57 pm

boda wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:14 pm
PeterC wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm
HandsomeMonkeyking wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:45 pm
Being too young to have experienced it myself, I have often heard "bad stories", and then some very good ones about Chogyam Trungpa only recently.

Honestly I never started to read a book of him for the reason of the bad stories.

I wonder, what stuff did actually happen, and what made him such a controversial figure.

I learned now that one of my teachers speaks highly of him. In any regard I try not to judge or condemn or anything. Still I am curious of what was going on.
This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.
Okay, let's start with his principle student Osel Tendzin: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/21/us/bu ... issue.html

Crazy wisdom or just bad?
Why would a non Buddhist care anyway?Unless your are just :stirthepot:

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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by boda » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:17 am

It's continually rehashed because as Merlin says, "It is the doom of men that they forget."


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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by PeterC » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:34 am

boda wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:14 pm
PeterC wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm
HandsomeMonkeyking wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:45 pm
Being too young to have experienced it myself, I have often heard "bad stories", and then some very good ones about Chogyam Trungpa only recently.

Honestly I never started to read a book of him for the reason of the bad stories.

I wonder, what stuff did actually happen, and what made him such a controversial figure.

I learned now that one of my teachers speaks highly of him. In any regard I try not to judge or condemn or anything. Still I am curious of what was going on.
This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.
Okay, let's start with his principle student Osel Tendzin: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/21/us/bu ... issue.html

Crazy wisdom or just bad?
Sure, let’s do proof-by-anecdote.

Of course he was ‘just bad’. That’s why you need to look at a sample.

But I agree with justsit. This topic has been discussed so many times, another discussion will not add anything.

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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by boda » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:52 am

PeterC wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:34 am
boda wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:14 pm
PeterC wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm


This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.
Okay, let's start with his principle student Osel Tendzin: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/21/us/bu ... issue.html

Crazy wisdom or just bad?
Sure, let’s do proof-by-anecdote.

Of course he was ‘just bad’. That’s why you need to look at a sample.

But I agree with justsit. This topic has been discussed so many times, another discussion will not add anything.
Proof of what? You claimed that any understanding needs to start with his students, so I started with the principle student.

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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by MiphamFan » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:40 am

boda wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:14 pm
PeterC wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm
HandsomeMonkeyking wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:45 pm
Being too young to have experienced it myself, I have often heard "bad stories", and then some very good ones about Chogyam Trungpa only recently.

Honestly I never started to read a book of him for the reason of the bad stories.

I wonder, what stuff did actually happen, and what made him such a controversial figure.

I learned now that one of my teachers speaks highly of him. In any regard I try not to judge or condemn or anything. Still I am curious of what was going on.
This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.
Okay, let's start with his principle student Osel Tendzin: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/21/us/bu ... issue.html

Crazy wisdom or just bad?
Buddha also had Devadatta as a student. Can't blame everything on the teacher.

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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by boda » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:44 pm

MiphamFan wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:40 am
boda wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:14 pm
PeterC wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm


This topic really has been done to death, but: before jumping to conclusions based on dramatic stories, look at his students. He developed a large number of very good, serious practitioners. Any understanding of what he did needs to start from there.
Okay, let's start with his principle student Osel Tendzin: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/21/us/bu ... issue.html

Crazy wisdom or just bad?
Buddha also had Devadatta as a student. Can't blame everything on the teacher.
It was PeterC’s claim that to understand what Trungpa did we need to start with his students, so I pointed out his principal student. This is the beginning our our understanding, according to PeterC.

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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by Queequeg » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:58 pm

MiphamFan wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:40 am
Buddha also had Devadatta as a student. Can't blame everything on the teacher.
That's an irksome comparison. Something gets very distorted to make that work. Trungpa = Shakyamuni? Recklessly spreading the HIV = schism?

I don't think you really want to stand by that comparison.
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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by Mantrik » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:12 pm

In the wake of the recent Oxfam sexual abuse scandal, now is the time to report any hard evidence of abuse to the Charities Commission in the UK involving any religious organisation which has charitable status.

They simply dare not ignore it, and Govt. is about to make a great show of exposing it too - a vote winner for sure.

I can think of at least one 'charity' where allegations of sexual abuse should be raised by those with evidence, to save others from the cult.
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Re: Chogyam Trungpa

Post by Grigoris » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:17 pm

I think Mantrik's point was the most relevant and the only thing of value that could come after beating this dead horse once again.

The OP can do a site search and find all the info they need on the subject.

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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