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Re: deadliest mass shooting in the U.S.

Post by justsit » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:13 am

This country has lost its f'in mind.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/state/mi ... 63099.html

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Post by Norwegian » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:20 am

justsit wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:13 am
This country has lost its f'in mind.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/state/mi ... 63099.html
Truly abhorrent.

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Post by TharpaChodron » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:32 am

Norwegian wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:05 am
TharpaChodron wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:19 am
There's also this spelling:

https://www.theonion.com/united-states- ... 1819564308
There's a difference between an article from The Onion though, and that of a persistent use of slurs/insults towards a country and its citizens. One is intended to be humor, the other is really pointless and just petty.
Yes, but I think the US is big enough (metaphorically speaking) to laugh off such petty slurs. Which is why a homegrown US comedy site like the Onion can poke fun at it all the time. The US invokes worldwide criticism and doesn't really seem to give a flying f. Except maybe Arch!

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Post by boda » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:32 am

justsit wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:13 am
This country has lost its f'in mind.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/state/mi ... 63099.html
Patterson said by phone Saturday that he considered finding a different raffle item after Wednesday’s mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, but ultimately decided to “turn it into a positive thing” after “getting the hate.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/state/mi ... rylink=cpy
Well, I suppose if the raffle winner doesn't use the weapon on the students it will be positive???

The AR-15 is apparently the weapon of choice for mass shooters.

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Post by Lindama » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:00 am

sorry, the USA has betrayed everything that I hold decent, domestically and internationally. This evil empire has not satisfied it's thirst for empire and world dominance... not to mention the hundreds of thousands of civilians who have been killed by our bombs. We have no idea how much of the world is suffering on our account. This has been going on since WWII if one has eyes. There is no end in sight. Never mind... it's those Russian punks who are to blame.

As to the guns, my ex had a small rifle since his growing up on a farm. He had respect for it's use. I actually never saw it out of it's case. I was shocked tho when he said we'd need if to survive a natural disaster, like an earthquake in CA. We had adequate stores of food to protect. hard choices

rest easy tho, the supreme court has just upheld a ban on vegetable gardens in the front yard in Miami.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c ... 31784.html

Yes, our young people have had enough... the Parkland students are the hope for the future.... find the seniors on the news who are not taking this anymore. it's viral....

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Post by TharpaChodron » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:09 am

Lindama wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:00 am
sorry, the USA has betrayed everything that I hold decent, domestically and internationally. This evil empire has not satisfied it's thirst for empire and world dominance... not to mention the hundreds of thousands of civilians who have been killed by our bombs. We have no idea how much of the world is suffering on our account. This has been going on since WWII if one has eyes. There is no end in sight. Never mind... it's those Russian punks who are to blame.

As to the guns, my ex had a small rifle since his growing up on a farm. He had respect for it's use. I actually never saw it out of it's case. I was shocked tho when he said we'd need if to survive a natural disaster, like an earthquake in CA. We had adequate stores of food to protect. hard choices

rest easy tho, the supreme court has just upheld a ban on vegetable gardens in the front yard in Miami.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c ... 31784.html

Yes, our young people have had enough... the Parkland students are the hope for the future.... find the seniors on the news who are not taking this anymore. it's viral....

linda
Let's be fair, though, and clarify that's the Florida supreme court. And Florida, as well as Missouri, are some real backwards principalities. Sad to say...

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Post by Lindama » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:13 am

let's be fair, SCOTUS is no better. Let's start with Citizens United, the loss of our civil rights..... etc, etc. None of them have earned any slack.

Right out here in so-called liberal Sonoma County CA, the neighbors have just succeeded in uprooting a homeless motor home camp on a county owned parking lot on a main road... no harm to anyone. ppl didn't like seeing them there.... it's just not what we think of as our pretty little town... and by god, who knows what they're doing and there are property values to consider .... all this an more on the local e-bulletin board. so, careful about blaming the deplorables and such. The last straw.... we had a devastating fire with thousands of homeless, it was determined that the homeless were not fire victims... so full steam ahead with the evictions.
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Post by Malcolm » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:47 am

Lindama wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:00 am

rest easy tho, the supreme court has just upheld a ban on vegetable gardens in the front yard in Miami.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c ... 31784.html
Well, It's Miami.
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Post by Norwegian » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:12 am

Malcolm wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:47 am
Lindama wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:00 am

rest easy tho, the supreme court has just upheld a ban on vegetable gardens in the front yard in Miami.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c ... 31784.html
Well, It's Miami.
Like taken out of a dystopian novel...

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Post by Malcolm » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:59 am

Norwegian wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:12 am
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:47 am
Lindama wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:00 am

rest easy tho, the supreme court has just upheld a ban on vegetable gardens in the front yard in Miami.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c ... 31784.html
Well, It's Miami.
Like taken out of a dystopian novel...
I assure you this is quite normal for places in the US like Miami. But not everywhere is like that.
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Post by Norwegian » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:20 am

Malcolm wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:59 am
Norwegian wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:12 am
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:47 am


Well, It's Miami.
Like taken out of a dystopian novel...
I assure you this is quite normal for places in the US like Miami. But not everywhere is like that.
I'm just surprised that there's any kind of place in the US where they can enforce something as insane as this. It just feels like a human rights violation to me. A decision that just goes against sanity, banning people from growing vegetables... How stupid. But I'm glad this is not a nation-wide American thing.

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Post by Quay » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:14 am

Lindama wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:00 am
sorry, the USA has betrayed everything that I hold decent, domestically and internationally....
Everything? Really?
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Post by Norwegian » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:31 am

Florida House votes down motion to take up weapons ban with Douglas students present
Final vote was 36-71 on first day of lobbying for students
https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-s ... ts-present
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/20/us/f ... index.html
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/day ... ult-rifles

And:
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Florida House declares pornography as a health risk
Republican Rep. Ross Spano says there is research that finds a connection between pornography use and mental and physical illnesses.
http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politic ... alth-risk/
Florida lawmakers vote to label porn a ‘public health risk’, after refusing to consider an assault weapons ban
The sponsor of the bill says that Republicans have blocked debate on the weapons bill for at least two years
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 20451.html

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Post by DGA » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:49 am

Norwegian wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:20 am
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:59 am
Norwegian wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:12 am

Like taken out of a dystopian novel...
I assure you this is quite normal for places in the US like Miami. But not everywhere is like that.
I'm just surprised that there's any kind of place in the US where they can enforce something as insane as this. It just feels like a human rights violation to me. A decision that just goes against sanity, banning people from growing vegetables... How stupid. But I'm glad this is not a nation-wide American thing.
It is stupid, I agree. But note that the ban is against growing veg in the front yard. Grow the veg in the back yard and you are fine. This is all about keeping up appearances. Miami is full of plastic surgeons, too.

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Post by TharpaChodron » Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:56 am

Norwegian wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:20 am
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:59 am
Norwegian wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:12 am

Like taken out of a dystopian novel...
I assure you this is quite normal for places in the US like Miami. But not everywhere is like that.
I'm just surprised that there's any kind of place in the US where they can enforce something as insane as this. It just feels like a human rights violation to me. A decision that just goes against sanity, banning people from growing vegetables... How stupid. But I'm glad this is not a nation-wide American thing.
As DGA said, it's probably more about the front yard aspect. The US is currently in a bit of a home veggie garden craze these days. In my town there's actually a group that will help you plant a front yard vegetable garden for free.

Personally, I'm about to build a large raised bed vegetable garden in my backyard. Can't wait. :)

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Post by justsit » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:07 am

Norwegian wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:31 am
Florida House votes down motion to take up weapons ban with Douglas students present
Final vote was 36-71 on first day of lobbying for students
Cowards.

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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:16 am

Norwegian wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:20 am
justsit wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:13 am
This country has lost its f'in mind.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/state/mi ... 63099.html
Truly abhorrent.
It's amazing, I know so many otherwise rational people here who own AR 15s, and somehow think their right to own them should trump what is basically a national health crisis at this point.

It's not only that they think they should be able to own them (which might still be possible even given stringent regulation), but they think that impinging on pretty nearly anyone's ability to own one any time they want is somehow an infringement on "responsible gun owners". The debate here is so bizarre I can't really even explain it. On the other side, plenty of people on the left don't bother learning enough about guns or gun violence statistics to have any idea what they are talking about either, so the public debate goes exactly where you would expect it to. For many of the guys I know, an AR 15 is something like a cool motorcycle, it's like they are unaware and unwilling to look at the fact that the proliferation of this specific weapon has had a noticeable effect on how mass shootings go. Couple this with how the media handles these events, and I don't see much hope for the future:(
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Post by DGA » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:19 am

This post is for the Americans among us:

A tool I find useful for reminding my Congress-critters and Governor what my priorities are is resistbot. You can find it here:

https://resist.bot/

it's easy to use, it does what it says it does, and as of today you can use it to find out what your US Senators and House Representative took from the NRA for campaign contributions (or how much the NRA raised to oppose your Congress-mess).

Persistence is the most effective strategy available to ordinary people at this point. I encourage anyone with a pulse in this country to PERSIST.


We now return to regularly scheduled international programming.

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Post by Lindama » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:25 am

let's see it for what it is.... there is no public debate tho it may seem so. It comes down to the $$ bribes for our politicians.

Law abiding gun owners are not the problem.
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Post by Johnny Dangerous » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:32 am

Lindama wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:25 am
let's see it for what it is.... there is no public debate tho it may seem so. It comes down to the $$ bribes for our politicians.

Law abiding gun owners are not the problem.
I am not sure about this. I have some friends who actually own AR 15's themselves, who are all for common sense measures to keep them out of the hands of dangerous people. However, I know -a number of of law abiding gun owners who are also dead set on the idea that *any* regulation on the manufacture or sale of this sort of weapon is somehow the beginning of something apocalyptic. Literally they think that any restriction on the type of weapon they can own is an infringement. I have asked some of more vocal "second amendment supporter" type friends questions like "well, what if you wanted a sherman tank for self defense then, or wanted to put some old active claymore mines in your front yard, would that be ok?". A couple of them said yes, non-ironically, that people who desire tanks and mines for self defense should somehow be in principle able to have them.
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