I understand what you wrote, as above, I think you are suffering from lack of understanding the what the two truths actually are, which causes you to adopt a transcendentalist/realist position with respect to the two truths. For you, the ultimate is something free from the two extremes. For me, ultimate truth is merely the perception of the absence of inherent existence/four extremes in entities which arise from conditions. Among the emptinesses Candra lists, for example, is the emptiness of the ultimate:Sherab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:52 pm
Because it is the supreme necessity,
the ultimate is nirvana,
Whatever is the emptiness of that
is the emptiness of the ultimate.
The knower of the ultimate
taught the emptiness of the ultimate
in order to avert the grasping
of the thought that nirvana is real.
Whatever is not an extreme
is described as transcending extremes;
since that is empty of itself,
it is conventionally the emptiness of the transcended extremes.
Now, the question for you is, is ultimate empty? Of what is it empty? If the ultimate is also empty, how can be it any thing other than a conventional truth?
And since you are fond of citing the two extremes, if freedom from extremes is empty, how can it be anything other than a conventional truth?
Since everything from matter to omniscience is empty, how can they be anything other than conventional truths? A true ultimate truth would not be empty, now would it?
If there is something subtle tha is not empty, there is something subtle to be empty;
but as there is nothing that is not empty, where is there something to be empty?