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Post by DGA » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:51 am

All the rationales for this practice that I have been exposed to are cultural and not scientific (specifically, references to Biblical or Quranic tradition). I find those arguments completely unconvincing. [Pro tip: ask your local preacher if God the Father is himself circumcised. I'm glad I did.]

Are there any scientific arguments in favor of circumcision, or medical circumstances in which this practice is indicated? Any instance of this practice turning up in, say, Tibetan Medicine or any other Dharma tradition or healing tradition outside of the Abrahamic cultural milieu?
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Re: Circumcision

Post by Virgo » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:00 am

DGA wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:51 am
Pro tip
Really?
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Re: Circumcision

Post by DGA » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:02 am

Virgo wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:00 am
DGA wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:51 am
Pro tip
Really?
Oh my.

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Re: Circumcision

Post by Virgo » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:04 am

DGA wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:02 am

Oh my.
:rolling:

I think it is a hygiene issue mostly from a medical standpoint.

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Re: Circumcision

Post by Norwegian » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:11 am

Virgo wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:04 am
DGA wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:02 am

Oh my.
:rolling:

I think it is a hygiene issue mostly from a medical standpoint.

Kevin...
It's interesting that it's suggested by some to be a hygiene issue. What kind of problems do people have with hygiene if they need to chop off a part of their genitalia to somehow get better hygiene? Whatever happened with taking a shower?

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Re: Circumcision

Post by Fortyeightvows » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:17 am

It's because they think of "hygiene" as a synonym to "purity" as in ritual purity according to those traditions.

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Re: Circumcision

Post by Virgo » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:18 am

Norwegian wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:11 am
It's interesting that it's suggested by some to be a hygiene issue. What kind of problems do people have with hygiene if they need to chop off a part of their genitalia to somehow get better hygiene? Whatever happened with taking a shower?
Apparently, according to this (https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-proced ... c-20393550) an organization called the AAP says that it is helpful in a number of ways. Whether it really is or not, I do not know.

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Re: Circumcision

Post by Lukeinaz » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:48 am

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Re: Circumcision

Post by Virgo » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:55 am

Ah, perhaps it's all bunk then. Thank you for bringing this knowledge to the fore.

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Re: Circumcision

Post by Wayfarer » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:28 am

We had a class once in either comparative religion or anthropology - I can’t remember which, now - on religious prohibitions in the Semitic faiths. It really turns out that when you go right into it, there’s no discernible reason for many of them. They are simply seen as divine commandments, no ifs or buts. [Pythagoreans had a really strict taboo on beans.] Circumcision wasn’t one of the topics considered, although I have heard it said it is preferable hygenically, and I even recall reading that there was an increased risk of some forms of cancer from not being circumcised. But I’m sure that wouldn’t be the reasoning behind it.
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Re: Circumcision

Post by Lobsang Chojor » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:45 am

One medical reason can be in premature births, when the skin isn't totally separated.
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Re: Circumcision

Post by Lukeinaz » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:51 am

Virgo wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:55 am
Ah, perhaps it's all bunk then. Thank you for bringing this knowledge to the fore.

Kevin...
nice one, but dont let it get go to your head.
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Re: Circumcision

Post by Virgo » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:08 am

Lukeinaz wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:51 am
dont let it get go to your head.
Would ya' just cut it.

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Re: Circumcision

Post by amanitamusc » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:20 am

Hated it.I'm pretty sure.

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Re: Circumcision

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Re: Circumcision

Post by Virgo » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:12 am

Alright, my apologies for all the sophomoric humor.

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Re: Circumcision

Post by Grigoris » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:19 am

It can be applied medically for people that have an overly tight foreskin that tends to tear during erection and copulation.
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Re: Circumcision

Post by PSM » Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:28 am

Circumcision is an awful thing to do to a baby. I'm thankful it's not seen as normal in my country.
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Re: Circumcision

Post by Coëmgenu » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:41 pm

Some people say it can lower your chances of getting certain STDs. I wouldn't know how to know if they were making it up.
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Re: Circumcision

Post by Queequeg » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:04 pm

The reasons I've heard:

Hygenic. There aren't folds where bacteria and gunk can build up. I believe it also increases chance of STD transmission, giving and receiving.

I suppose it's cultural, but aesthetic preference. I run in circles with many Jews, including my wife. Preference is generally for circumcision. Also, I've heard remarks about smell. I wouldn't know about this.

I was against my son being circumcised. Wife was insistent.

The kid did scream when the doctor snipped him. What a way to be welcomed I to the world. :(
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