Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by kausalya » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:10 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:58 pm
kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:49 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:46 pm


It is so, just open your eyes and look around you.
I do! Hello to you.

My behaviour is my only concern. As for others, I only have compassion.
That is very nice for you.
You should try it!

The question itself has no answer that we can comprehend. If I've been dismissive of it, this is why.

It's not as though the teachings of Shakyamuni will be preserved forever in their current form. Why worry about what others are doing? Let's make sure our own practices don't degenerate, and we don't harbour wrong views against sentient beings who are looking for a life raft.
"Open sky does not abide, nor do sentient beings."

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by Malcolm » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:16 pm

kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:05 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:00 pm
kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:58 pm

I just realize I have no control over anything, so that's how it goes. I can only practice to be better at living, and communicate with those who see something valuable in what I say.
While uselessly negating the valuable things others say...get the picture?
Negating what?
Reread the thread, friend.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by Malcolm » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:16 pm

kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:10 pm
Why worry about what others are doing?
Why do you?
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by kausalya » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:21 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:16 pm
kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:10 pm
Why worry about what others are doing?
Why do you?
:applause:

I don't. I'm just offering these words in the hope that someone will benefit. I've got about as little choice as you do, given the state of my karma.

At the very least, posting here has helped me to refine my own understanding. Whether or not anyone else sees it as valuable is not in my hands.
"Open sky does not abide, nor do sentient beings."

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by Malcolm » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:24 pm

kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:21 pm
I've got about as little choice as you do, given the state of my karma.
You think karma relieves you of choice?
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by kausalya » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:31 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:16 pm
kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:05 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:00 pm


While uselessly negating the valuable things others say...get the picture?
Negating what?
Reread the thread, friend.
If I've ignored something, it's to refocus on what I consider to be important, which is "not to deter from tantric practice anyone having confidence in it."

Someone's confidence may only be a seed until it is watered. People need to be shown the benefits of practice before they can engage in it.

If they go there, like the energy of the people, see the majesty of the method & are inspired to practice, that is wonderful.

Formal samaya or no, people are constantly breaking their promises. The compassion of a lama who introduces a student slowly to the concept of tantric commitments is not to be underestimated. Even the smallest trickle of devotion, nurtured by the lama, can turn into a rain of blessings.
"Open sky does not abide, nor do sentient beings."

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by kausalya » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:34 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:24 pm
kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:21 pm
I've got about as little choice as you do, given the state of my karma.
You think karma relieves you of choice?
Not at all, but my karma has led me here, and I'm here to stay.

My wish is to be of benefit in whatever way possible; engaging with people here is a natural consequence of that wish, and I'll continue for as long as I'm able.
"Open sky does not abide, nor do sentient beings."

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by Malcolm » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:15 pm

kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:31 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:16 pm
kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:05 pm


Negating what?
Reread the thread, friend.
If I've ignored something, it's to refocus on what I consider to be important, which is "not to deter from tantric practice anyone having confidence in it."
I see, so its all about you and what you consider important. Got it. Good to know.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by Losal Samten » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:16 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:24 pm
You think karma relieves you of choice?
Volition is karma isn't it?
Lacking mindfulness, we commit every wrong. - Nyoshul Khen Rinpoche
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ཨཱོཾ་མ་ཏྲི་མུ་ཡེ་སལེ་འདུ།།

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by kausalya » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:21 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:15 pm
kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:31 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:16 pm


Reread the thread, friend.
If I've ignored something, it's to refocus on what I consider to be important, which is "not to deter from tantric practice anyone having confidence in it."
I see, so its all about you and what you consider important. Got it. Good to know.
Hey, not just me. It's a commitment many people have.

My ability to express myself is feeble, but we're each just trying to contribute our voice. As students, we can't say much. Whenever we become lamas, then we can take different approaches.

For students, there is no question because it's not up to us.
"Open sky does not abide, nor do sentient beings."

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by kausalya » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:25 pm

Losal Samten wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:16 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:24 pm
You think karma relieves you of choice?
Volition is karma isn't it?
It guides our actions, and restricts the choices we may have/may see, depending on the situation.

I still take responsibility for what I say/do, but I've already accepted those consequences by being here.

Bodhichitta is the only way I can safeguard what happens to me. Being understood, or pleasing others, isn't part of it, but I can try.

I'm just trying. :smile:
"Open sky does not abide, nor do sentient beings."

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by Malcolm » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:31 pm

Losal Samten wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:16 pm
Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:24 pm
You think karma relieves you of choice?
Volition is karma isn't it?
He means karma in the sense of vipaka, ripening.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by Malcolm » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:32 pm

kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:21 pm
As students, we can't say much.
For a student who can't say much, you sure have a lot to say.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by kausalya » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:50 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:32 pm
kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:21 pm
As students, we can't say much.
For a student who can't say much, you sure have a lot to say.
Or I just have a big mouth.

Meanwhile, all I see myself doing is being cautious about judging the actions/appearances of others... especially lamas who decide to offer specks of dharma to people like myself who are devoid of it.
"Open sky does not abide, nor do sentient beings."

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by Malcolm » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:27 am

kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:50 pm

Meanwhile, all I see myself doing is being cautious about judging the actions/appearances of others
It is pretty easy to see who is worldly, who is not, who is virtuous, who is not, etc. If you can't discern even such basic things...it is unlikely you can discern who is a proper teacher and who is not.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by kausalya » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:37 am

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:27 am
kausalya wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:50 pm

Meanwhile, all I see myself doing is being cautious about judging the actions/appearances of others
It is pretty easy to see who is worldly, who is not, who is virtuous, who is not, etc. If you can't discern even such basic things...it is unlikely you can discern who is a proper teacher and who is not.
Appearances can be deceiving. We can't read people's minds, nor can we know anything about their experience. This is basic. Around the corner from you could be a Buddha.

All we can know at this level is our own mind, and attempt to work with that to reduce our afflictions.
"Open sky does not abide, nor do sentient beings."

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by Malcolm » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:19 am

kausalya wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:37 am

Appearances can be deceiving. We can't read people's minds, nor can we know anything about their experience. This is basic.
Pro tip: the Buddha accepted inference as a valid form of knowledge.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by kausalya » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:21 am

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:19 am
kausalya wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:37 am

Appearances can be deceiving. We can't read people's minds, nor can we know anything about their experience. This is basic.
Pro tip: the Buddha accepted inference as a valid form of knowledge.
My mind is unreliable; I play it safe by being an idiot.
"Open sky does not abide, nor do sentient beings."

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by Malcolm » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:23 am

kausalya wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:21 am
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:19 am
kausalya wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:37 am

Appearances can be deceiving. We can't read people's minds, nor can we know anything about their experience. This is basic.
Pro tip: the Buddha accepted inference as a valid form of knowledge.
My mind is unreliable; I play it safe by being an idiot.
Whoever sold you that bill of goods did you a disservice.
Buddhahood in This Life
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


[A]nything at all that is well spoken is the word of the Buddha.

-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
taught by the Sugata are definitive in meaning;
One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

-- Samadhirāja Sūtra

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Re: Taking Empowerment as a Blessing

Post by kausalya » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:32 am

Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:23 am
kausalya wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:21 am
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:19 am


Pro tip: the Buddha accepted inference as a valid form of knowledge.
My mind is unreliable; I play it safe by being an idiot.
Whoever sold you that bill of goods did you a disservice.
Totally my choice. I was an intellectual, & found peace elsewhere.

Much like my stepmother stressed manners on the off-chance that the Queen would visit, I want to be ready for Vajrayogini in whatever form she takes.
"Open sky does not abide, nor do sentient beings."

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