Turning daily life into retreat

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Turning daily life into retreat

Post by Sennin » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:33 pm

Of course allocating time to practice is not the same as boundaried retreat; due to constant distraction and concerns. Even so I'm interested in the possibility of accomplishing sadhana in daily life.

How much time (and of course diligence, patience etc.) is needed to pull this off? Would one focus more on practicing until signs, instead of by number or time?
Is it even possible?
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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by Malcolm » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:47 pm

Sennin wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:33 pm
Of course allocating time to practice is not the same as boundaried retreat; due to constant distraction and concerns. Even so I'm interested in the possibility of accomplishing sadhana in daily life.

How much time (and of course diligence, patience etc.) is needed to pull this off? Would one focus more on practicing until signs, instead of by number or time?
Is it even possible?
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-- Ārya-adhyāśaya-sañcodana-nāma-mahāyāna-sūtra

The different sūtras in accord with the emptiness
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One can understand that all of those Dharmas in
which a sentient being, individual, or person are taught are provisional in meaning.

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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by conebeckham » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:54 pm

Or, practice—4-6:30am, work 8-5, practice again 7:30-9....and push re-set button. Weekends, do more practice, and sometimes use PTO or vacation days for strict retreats of 4 or more sessions daily.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by Sennin » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:34 pm

Thanks guys. That's very encouraging!
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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by heart » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:42 pm

Sennin wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:33 pm
Of course allocating time to practice is not the same as boundaried retreat; due to constant distraction and concerns. Even so I'm interested in the possibility of accomplishing sadhana in daily life.

How much time (and of course diligence, patience etc.) is needed to pull this off? Would one focus more on practicing until signs, instead of by number or time?
Is it even possible?
First I think you really have to make your mind up as to what practice you want to do. The amount of time you can spend depends on your motivation and also circumstances like if you have a family or other engagements you can't avoid. Over the years I done several sadhanas and other practices spending between 1 and 4-5 hours daily depending on the circumstances. My experience is that the signs are not so clear when your not in retreat so for signs you should try to do many short (or long if you can) retreats also.


/magnus
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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by Rick » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:00 pm

I just found out that my wife needs to spend some time with her sister, who is recovering from an operation. I'm off summers (teaching) so I have buncha time, and I just started planning out some kind of one-week retreat when I ran into this posting!

I'm not much of an on-the-cushion meditator, so I think what I'm gonna do is work on my awareness mojo.

Anyway, thanks for the serendipitous encouragement! I hope your life-retreat goes well. :thumbsup:
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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by Motova » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:51 pm

Sennin wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:33 pm
Of course allocating time to practice is not the same as boundaried retreat; due to constant distraction and concerns. Even so I'm interested in the possibility of accomplishing sadhana in daily life.

How much time (and of course diligence, patience etc.) is needed to pull this off? Would one focus more on practicing until signs, instead of by number or time?
Is it even possible?
I think a well paying job and a housewife who is also a practitioner would be ideal for an aspiring yogi.
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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by heart » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:02 pm

Motova wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:51 pm
Sennin wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:33 pm
Of course allocating time to practice is not the same as boundaried retreat; due to constant distraction and concerns. Even so I'm interested in the possibility of accomplishing sadhana in daily life.

How much time (and of course diligence, patience etc.) is needed to pull this off? Would one focus more on practicing until signs, instead of by number or time?
Is it even possible?
I think a well paying job and a housewife who is also a practitioner would be ideal for an aspiring yogi.
"A housewife"? :smile: I am afraid we don't have those anymore where I live.

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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by Aryjna » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:04 pm

Motova wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:51 pm
Sennin wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:33 pm
Of course allocating time to practice is not the same as boundaried retreat; due to constant distraction and concerns. Even so I'm interested in the possibility of accomplishing sadhana in daily life.

How much time (and of course diligence, patience etc.) is needed to pull this off? Would one focus more on practicing until signs, instead of by number or time?
Is it even possible?
I think a well paying job and a housewife who is also a practitioner would be ideal for an aspiring yogi.
It is even better if one is single, has no living relatives or friends and lives on some sort of savings or income.

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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by Motova » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:20 pm

heart wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:02 pm
Motova wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:51 pm
Sennin wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:33 pm
Of course allocating time to practice is not the same as boundaried retreat; due to constant distraction and concerns. Even so I'm interested in the possibility of accomplishing sadhana in daily life.

How much time (and of course diligence, patience etc.) is needed to pull this off? Would one focus more on practicing until signs, instead of by number or time?
Is it even possible?
I think a well paying job and a housewife who is also a practitioner would be ideal for an aspiring yogi.
"A housewife"? :smile: I am afraid we don't have those anymore where I live.

/magnus
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Aryjna wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:04 pm
Motova wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:51 pm
Sennin wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:33 pm
Of course allocating time to practice is not the same as boundaried retreat; due to constant distraction and concerns. Even so I'm interested in the possibility of accomplishing sadhana in daily life.

How much time (and of course diligence, patience etc.) is needed to pull this off? Would one focus more on practicing until signs, instead of by number or time?
Is it even possible?
I think a well paying job and a housewife who is also a practitioner would be ideal for an aspiring yogi.
It is even better if one is single, has no living relatives or friends and lives on some sort of savings or income.
I am probably wrong, but I feel Vajrayana is better practiced with a spouse who is a practitioner.
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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by Terma » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:37 pm

conebeckham wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:54 pm
Or, practice—4-6:30am, work 8-5, practice again 7:30-9....and push re-set button. Weekends, do more practice, and sometimes use PTO or vacation days for strict retreats of 4 or more sessions daily.
Is there any hope for one with a full time job and a family such as myself? :D

I guess in this case practicing for a certain length of time daily, even an hour per day with some weekend or other short retreats get's us there eventually I suppose.

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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by conebeckham » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:33 am

Terma wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:37 pm
conebeckham wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:54 pm
Or, practice—4-6:30am, work 8-5, practice again 7:30-9....and push re-set button. Weekends, do more practice, and sometimes use PTO or vacation days for strict retreats of 4 or more sessions daily.
Is there any hope for one with a full time job and a family such as myself? :D

I guess in this case practicing for a certain length of time daily, even an hour per day with some weekend or other short retreats get's us there eventually I suppose.
I have a full time job and a family with two kids... you can make it work.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")

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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by Terma » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:56 am

conebeckham wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:33 am
Terma wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:37 pm
conebeckham wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:54 pm
Or, practice—4-6:30am, work 8-5, practice again 7:30-9....and push re-set button. Weekends, do more practice, and sometimes use PTO or vacation days for strict retreats of 4 or more sessions daily.
Is there any hope for one with a full time job and a family such as myself? :D

I guess in this case practicing for a certain length of time daily, even an hour per day with some weekend or other short retreats get's us there eventually I suppose.
I have a full time job and a family with two kids... you can make it work.
Good to hear. That's the plan! :thumbsup:

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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by Tenma » Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:13 am

Personally, I perform my daily sadhanas in the bus in the morning and afternoon during school days. During lunch, I fast and recite sutras and whatnot. As it is summer vacation(unfortunately, more "Christian security"), I do my sadhana for around 1.5 hours from anywhere between 10 PM - 12 AM

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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by Manju » Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:00 am

Malcolm la,

what does ´rinse repeat´mean ?

Manju

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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by dharmafootsteps » Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:19 am

Manju wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:00 am
Malcolm la,

what does ´rinse repeat´mean ?

Manju
It's an idiom meaning to repeat the instructions/action over and over again.

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Post by Grigoris » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:00 am

Or, practice—4-6:30am, work 8-5, practice again 7:30-9....and push re-set button. Weekends, do more practice, and sometimes use PTO or vacation days for strict retreats of 4 or more sessions daily.
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Thanks guys. That's very encouraging!
Encouraging? You'll be looking for SSRI treatment in no time! :tongue:
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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by amanitamusc » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:10 am

conebeckham wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:54 pm
Or, practice—4-6:30am, work 8-5, practice again 7:30-9....and push re-set button. Weekends, do more practice, and sometimes use PTO or vacation days for strict retreats of 4 or more sessions daily.
That is very Kagyu! :twothumbsup:

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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by Ignorant_Fool » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:56 pm

It's been challenging for me to diligently practice daily. I usually get off work earlier than my wife, so I have at least a couple of hours to myself - time which I should use better. Motivation is a big problem for me. That and the fact that I can be horribly lazy. :?

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Re: Turning daily life into retreat

Post by practitioner » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:43 pm

Ignorant_Fool wrote:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:56 pm
It's been challenging for me to diligently practice daily. I usually get off work earlier than my wife, so I have at least a couple of hours to myself - time which I should use better. Motivation is a big problem for me. That and the fact that I can be horribly lazy. :?
In my experience just establishing a daily practice is the first step. Even just 15min. You can worry about longer sessions later. But creating that space in your life is the first step.
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