How to discover tibetan buddhism?

[fornoxe]

Hi everyone,
1 uo.
New on this forum, i do quick presentation. I'm a french guy,, 31yo. I will go soon in Sri Lanka to discover Theravada tradition. During 6 months. But after that, I will go in India, in Cachemire, to do the same. Practising in monastery during 6 months. And go inside the Shanga.
But, theravada is more or less quite homogeneous.

In tibetan buddhism, you have school who looks like very different. Maybe its a false view.

So I'm looking for a website or a book (in french will be awesome...) who can explain the difference.

I have the idea that the tibetan buddhism is quite secret. Like it's easy to go in librairy and find books about hapiness and stull from tibetan monk but after that good information (in french) is quite hard. Just wikipedia offer to me some good short information.

So, do you have some stuff to share with me?

Be a monk is similar in tibetan buddhism or each school have in own "politic" to oder, especially westerner ?

Can we find good book esplaining the tantra bouddhism who is tibetan bouddhism?

I have to go there directly to find information or information on internet are reliable?

Feel free to tell me what you want

Thank you

[Wayfarer]

Greetings and welcome to DharmaWheel.

You are clearly someone with a sincere interest, as you are travelling to SE Asia to study. That is very impressive.

Certainly there are some aspects of the Buddhist traditions which are treated as secret but there is also a huge amount of texts and teachings which are not. And also despite the many differences between different Buddhist schools there are core ideas which are common to all. I think if you study them first in depth, then it will be easier to appreciate the differences later.

Anyway, as I say, welcome and enjoy your stay.

[amanitamusc]

Hi everyone,
1 uo.
New on this forum, i do quick presentation. I'm a french guy,, 31yo. I will go soon in Sri Lanka to discover Theravada tradition. During 6 months. But after that, I will go in India, in Cachemire, to do the same. Practising in monastery during 6 months. And go inside the Shanga.
But, theravada is more or less quite homogeneous.

In tibetan buddhism, you have school who looks like very different. Maybe its a false view.

So I'm looking for a website or a book (in french will be awesome...) who can explain the difference.

I have the idea that the tibetan buddhism is quite secret. Like it's easy to go in librairy and find books about hapiness and stull from tibetan monk but after that good information (in french) is quite hard. Just wikipedia offer to me some good short information.

So, do you have some stuff to share with me?

Be a monk is similar in tibetan buddhism or each school have in own "politic" to oder, especially westerner ?

Can we find good book esplaining the tantra bouddhism who is tibetan bouddhism?

I have to go there directly to find information or information on internet are reliable?

Feel free to tell me what you want

Thank you

Hi welcome.I wanted to share with you the top right hand corner where it
says search.

[fornoxe]

Greetings and welcome to DharmaWheel.

You are clearly someone with a sincere interest, as you are travelling to SE Asia to study. That is very impressive.

Certainly there are some aspects of the Buddhist traditions which are treated as secret but there is also a huge amount of texts and teachings which are not. And also despite the many differences between different Buddhist schools there are core ideas which are common to all. I think if you study them first in depth, then it will be easier to appreciate the differences later.

Anyway, as I say, welcome and enjoy your stay.

The core is the lamrim?

This book I have to study? or someone else?

[fornoxe]

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Hi welcome.I wanted to share with you the top right hand corner where it
says search.
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I tried, but I dont have the right key word to find something.

search.php?keywords=difference&terms=al ... mit=Search

search.php?keywords=monk&terms=all&auth ... mit=Search

[kirtu]

Hi everyone,
1 uo.
New on this forum, i do quick presentation. I'm a french guy,, 31yo. I will go soon in Sri Lanka to discover Theravada tradition. During 6 months. But after that, I will go in India, in Cachemire, to do the same. Practising in monastery during 6 months. And go inside the Shanga.
...
In tibetan buddhism, you have school who looks like very different. Maybe its a false view.

After practicing in Sri Lanka you are going to practice at a Shangpa place in Kashmir? Shangpa as an organization doesn't really exist per se anymore as it influenced all of the TB lineages and was absorbed by several (esp. Kagyu, Sakya and some Nyingma).

Après avoir pratiqué au Sri Lanka, vous allez pratiquer à Shangpa au Cachemire? Shangpa, en tant qu'organisation, n'existe plus vraiment en soi car elle a influencé toutes les lignées de TB et a été absorbée par plusieurs (notamment Kagyu, Sakya et certains Nyingma).

Tibetan Buddhism is essentially the same across all the lineages although there are some differences in some practices and methods. The real main difference is in terms of the ultimate view of mind but even that differs only in very fine points really.

Le bouddhisme tibétain est essentiellement le même dans toutes les lignées, même si certaines pratiques et méthodes présentent certaines différences. La vraie différence principale réside dans la vision ultime de l'esprit, mais même cela ne diffère que par de très bons points.

Union Bouddhiste de France
Bouddhisme tibétain en France : Centre d’étude et de pratique Drikung Kagyü Rinchen Pal
La Communauté Bouddhiste d’Alsace
Sakya Tsechen Ling
L'école Nyingmapa
La communauté de méditation Tergar
Fédération du Bouddhisme Tibétain
Kagyu Dzong
Dhagpo Kagyu Ling

[kirtu]

Should be:

Tibetan Buddhism is essentially the same across all the lineages although there are some differences in some practices and methods. The real main difference is in terms of the ultimate view of mind but even that differs only in very fine points really.

Le bouddhisme tibétain est essentiellement le même dans toutes les lignées, même si certaines pratiques et méthodes présentent certaines différences. La vraie différence principale réside dans la vision ultime de l'esprit, mais même cela ne diffère que par des points très précis.

[kirtu]

The main differences between the four Tibetan schools of Buddhism (mostly from an organizational perspective)
Les Voies différentes du Bouddhisme et les Quatre Ecoles bouddhiques au Tibet

The Four Lineages, Do Khyenste Rinpoche
LES QUATRE LIGNÉES

The schools of Tibetan Buddhism, a blog article
Les écoles du bouddhisme tibétain

In general the more in depth resources in French (as far as I know [and I don't explore them in French much]) will be found through Alexander Berzin and the Dhagpo Kagyu group primarily. I am aware of some in Belgium as well (Kagyu Dzong just outside of Brussels [although most of there stuff is in English]) and in Switzerland though Geshe Ampia.

Berzin does go into detail in English and German and can go into detail in French and other languages.
Study Buddhism - Berzin Archives

[conebeckham]

Hi everyone,
1 uo.
New on this forum, i do quick presentation. I'm a french guy,, 31yo. I will go soon in Sri Lanka to discover Theravada tradition. During 6 months. But after that, I will go in India, in Cachemire, to do the same. Practising in monastery during 6 months. And go inside the Shanga.
...
In tibetan buddhism, you have school who looks like very different. Maybe its a false view.

After practicing in Sri Lanka you are going to practice at a Shangpa place in Kashmir? Shangpa as an organization doesn't really exist per se anymore as it influenced all of the TB lineages and was absorbed by several (esp. Kagyu, Sakya and some Nyingma).

Après avoir pratiqué au Sri Lanka, vous allez pratiquer à Shangpa au Cachemire? Shangpa, en tant qu'organisation, n'existe plus vraiment en soi car elle a influencé toutes les lignées de TB et a été absorbée par plusieurs (notamment Kagyu, Sakya et certains Nyingma).

Tibetan Buddhism is essentially the same across all the lineages although there are some differences in some practices and methods. The real main difference is in terms of the ultimate view of mind but even that differs only in very fine points really.

Le bouddhisme tibétain est essentiellement le même dans toutes les lignées, même si certaines pratiques et méthodes présentent certaines différences. La vraie différence principale réside dans la vision ultime de l'esprit, mais même cela ne diffère que par de très bons points.

Union Bouddhiste de France
Bouddhisme tibétain en France : Centre d’étude et de pratique Drikung Kagyü Rinchen Pal
La Communauté Bouddhiste d’Alsace
Sakya Tsechen Ling
L'école Nyingmapa
La communauté de méditation Tergar
Fédération du Bouddhisme Tibétain
Kagyu Dzong
Dhagpo Kagyu Ling

I think he means "Sangha" instead of Shangpa.???

[kirtu]

I think he means "Sangha" instead of Shangpa.???

Oh, that makes more sense. Thanks!

Kirt

[kirtu]

Hi welcome.I wanted to share with you the top right hand corner where it
says search.

I tried, but I dont have the right key word to find something.

search.php?keywords=difference&terms=al ... mit=Search

search.php?keywords=monk&terms=all&auth ... mit=Search

Our search is also not the best, unfortunately.

difference AND "Tibetan Buddhism" AND schools yields 63 entries (lineages instead of schools yields 15).

You have to play with it a bit.

[kirtu]

Some more links in French :

Meditation Tsongkhapa
Centre Paramita de Bouddhisme Tibetain du Quebec
Nalandabodhi Montreal

Bref aperçu du bouddhisme tibétain, pdf
Bref aperçu de l'histoire du bouddhisme, pdf
Kalou Rinpoche Wikiwand
Le Livre Tibetain de la Vie et de Mort, pdf
Extrait Au cœur de la compassion , Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche, pdf
Textes de Lojong, pdf
Message du Bouddha : La Fleur de lotus de l’oudambara qui protège la vie des êtres sans défense, Geshe Tubten Sopa, pdf
Paroles de Atisha, Commentaires de Jetsunma - Tenzin Palmo, pdf

[Motova]

Read Dalai Lama books.

[fornoxe]

Thank you everyone!
I will like that carefully! Now i am on my phone I will reply next week with new things to ask.

Right now,I feel a big gap between theravada and tiberan buddhism. Especially about tantra. Meditation technic/great tool in TB (tibetan buddhism thats right?).

Cheers everyone

[fornoxe]

I did party yesterday. So obviouly, that "I will like that carefully" is not right. I will read it carefully seems better. My bad.

[fornoxe]

Hi everyone,
1 uo.
New on this forum, i do quick presentation. I'm a french guy,, 31yo. I will go soon in Sri Lanka to discover Theravada tradition. During 6 months. But after that, I will go in India, in Cachemire, to do the same. Practising in monastery during 6 months. And go inside the Shanga.
...
In tibetan buddhism, you have school who looks like very different. Maybe its a false view.

After practicing in Sri Lanka you are going to practice at a Shangpa place in Kashmir? Shangpa as an organization doesn't really exist per se anymore as it influenced all of the TB lineages and was absorbed by several (esp. Kagyu, Sakya and some Nyingma).

Après avoir pratiqué au Sri Lanka, vous allez pratiquer à Shangpa au Cachemire? Shangpa, en tant qu'organisation, n'existe plus vraiment en soi car elle a influencé toutes les lignées de TB et a été absorbée par plusieurs (notamment Kagyu, Sakya et certains Nyingma).

Tibetan Buddhism is essentially the same across all the lineages although there are some differences in some practices and methods. The real main difference is in terms of the ultimate view of mind but even that differs only in very fine points really.

Le bouddhisme tibétain est essentiellement le même dans toutes les lignées, même si certaines pratiques et méthodes présentent certaines différences. La vraie différence principale réside dans la vision ultime de l'esprit, mais même cela ne diffère que par de très bons points.

Union Bouddhiste de France
Bouddhisme tibétain en France : Centre d’étude et de pratique Drikung Kagyü Rinchen Pal
La Communauté Bouddhiste d’Alsace
Sakya Tsechen Ling
L'école Nyingmapa
La communauté de méditation Tergar
Fédération du Bouddhisme Tibétain
Kagyu Dzong
Dhagpo Kagyu Ling

Thanks for the links. And yes, I spoke about Shanga not Shangpa. BUT, what I can read about them on wiki looks very interresting.

"Durant toute son histoire, la lignée Shangpa ne s’est jamais transformée en institution ou en école. Elle est avant tout une lignée de pratique et n’a jamais été impliquée dans les luttes pour le pouvoir ou les richesses. "

I could not find wiki us so its in french.

Can you explain if you want about the difference in terms of the ultimate view of mind? Sound interresting

Cheers

[fornoxe]

I tried, but I dont have the right key word to find something.

search.php?keywords=difference&terms=al ... mit=Search

search.php?keywords=monk&terms=all&auth ... mit=Search

Our search is also not the best, unfortunately.

difference AND "Tibetan Buddhism" AND schools yields 63 entries (lineages instead of schools yields 15).

You have to play with it a bit.

I read the topic title of your research and for me, that not so accurate at all.

In fact, I'm looking for this link (I found it some weeks before this topic) : http://buddhadharma.over-blog.fr/articl ... 12540.html but in much much more develop.

[fornoxe]

This topic looks great viewtopic.php?f=39&t=14040&p=184318&hil ... ls#p184318 but i want something difference between school.

When I will go in Cachemire, I would like to know a bit where I will go.

[kirtu]

This topic looks great viewtopic.php?f=39&t=14040&p=184318&hil ... ls#p184318 but i want something difference between school.

When I will go in Cachemire, I would like to know a bit where I will go.

Where in Cachemire (Kashmir) are you going? Kashmir is half in Pakistan and the other half is sort of bordering Lhadak but I'm not aware of much Buddhadharma in Kashmir these days (but maybe I missed a place).

Kirt

[fornoxe]

I dont know where I will. I will go where I will find monastery where I can stay and the tradition inspire me.

Le monastère de Sonada près de Darjeeling par exemple pourrait etre une début.