How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

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How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

Post by bcol01 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:30 pm

Seems like Nihilism is one of the reasons that Western society is becoming increasingly disrespectful and immoral. Just my thoughts. What are your thoughts on this?

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Re: How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

Post by Queequeg » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:33 pm

It doesn't.

Nihilism is a wrong view.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

Post by boda » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:28 pm

bcol01 wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:30 pm
Seems like Nihilism is one of the reasons that Western society is becoming increasingly disrespectful and immoral. Just my thoughts. What are your thoughts on this?
Western society is not becoming increasingly disrespectful and immoral, for one thing, at least not in general. Maybe you have a specific category of people or things that Western society is being disrespectful and immoral towards. For another thing, what is your reasoning for determining that nihilism is the cause of your belief?

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Re: How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

Post by bcol01 » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:34 pm

Could you elaborate on why perhaps?
Queequeg wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:33 pm
It doesn't.

Nihilism is a wrong view.

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Re: How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

Post by Queequeg » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:48 pm

bcol01 wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:34 pm
Could you elaborate on why perhaps?
Queequeg wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:33 pm
It doesn't.

Nihilism is a wrong view.


Nihilists don't believe in anything, and certainly not right views. Totally incompatible with Buddhism.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

Post by boda » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:04 am

Queequeg wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:48 pm
Nihilists don't believe in anything
Not true. They believe in nothing.


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Re: How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

Post by boda » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:37 am

Putting aside the question of whether nihilism breeds immoral behavior for the moment, I’d like to point out that nihilism isn’t any sort of entity, and its lack of agency forces us to look elsewhere for a cause for this disrespect and alleged immortality that the OP mentions. The usual suspects are identified as science, the Western Enlightenment, rationalization, and the like. But again, these things have no agency.

We can only blame those who dropped the ball: spiritual leaders. They have agency. Only they can be blamed, if you’re into blaming.

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Re: How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

Post by narhwal90 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:42 am

To start with

http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Four_extremes

I'm not an Aro guy but they did a nice approachable podcast on the 4 Extremes available via the link below, well suited for mobile listening. Probably about time I re-listened to it actually. Their proposition is that nihilism, being one of the four, is neither wholly true or wholly false, likewise the other 3.

http://arobuddhism.org/mp3s/Aro02-02.mp3
http://arobuddhism.org/mp3s/Aro02-03.mp3

The rest of the recordings of that series are here

http://aroaudio.blogspot.com/

some are quite interesting.

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Re: How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

Post by Queequeg » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:46 am

boda wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:37 am
We can only blame those who dropped the ball: spiritual leaders. They have agency. Only they can be blamed, if you’re into blaming.
Burn em at the stake. That'll solve it.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

Post by boda » Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:03 am

Queequeg wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:46 am
boda wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:37 am
We can only blame those who dropped the ball: spiritual leaders. They have agency. Only they can be blamed, if you’re into blaming.
Burn em at the stake. That'll solve it.
No, they just need to do their f**king job. That all. :smile:

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Re: How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

Post by markatex » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:24 am

In my more depressive moments, my outlook is pretty much encapsulated in this classic song by Peggy Lee:



But it's not a Buddhist way of viewing reality, to say the least. In the US, we are witnessing the total disintegration of our political culture, and I don't believe it will be possible to recover it. We no longer value reason and thoughtful discourse, ideals set forth in the (Western/European) Enlightenment, so prized by our nation's founders. I'm fundamentally pessimistic, so it's especially easy for me to fall into despair. The Lotus Sutra's teaching that all beings, without exception, will become Buddhas is a major challenge to my generally dim view of my fellow humans (and the average American, in particular).

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Re: How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

Post by Queequeg » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:05 am

boda wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:03 am
Queequeg wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:46 am
boda wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:37 am
We can only blame those who dropped the ball: spiritual leaders. They have agency. Only they can be blamed, if you’re into blaming.
Burn em at the stake. That'll solve it.
No, they just need to do their f**king job. That all. :smile:
They need motivation. Get the kindling ready.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: How does Nihilism fit into Nichiren Buddhism, or does it?

Post by boda » Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:47 am

Queequeg wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:05 am
boda wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:03 am
Queequeg wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:46 am


Burn em at the stake. That'll solve it.
No, they just need to do their f**king job. That all. :smile:
They need motivation. Get the kindling ready.
Truth is, if they're not motivated at this point they will never be. :crying:

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