Nyung Ney

[kirtu]

Nyung Ney : Abiding in the Fast : A two day fasting and prostration practice from kriyayoga tantra

[kirtu]

Explanation of Nyung Ney practice from the Lama Yeshe Wisdom archive.

[Jangchup Donden]

I'd add Rest for the Fortunate - a great read for anyone interested in doing Nyungnes.

[Grigoris]

I mentioned practicing Nyung Ney to Loppon Ogyan Tanzin Rinpoche and he said it was unecessary and not beneficial for ngakpa, since they would be depriving the deity of offerings when doing the practice.

[kirtu]

I mentioned practicing Nyung Ney to Loppon Ogyan Tanzin Rinpoche and he said it was unecessary and not beneficial for ngakpa, since they would be depriving the deity of offerings when doing the practice.

Well it's an ascetic purification practice. So if he were referring to oneself as deity then sure. My Nyingma (Palyul) lamas offer a Nyung Ney retreat every year and some of those participants are ngakpas so this is certainly a different POV.

Kirt

[kirtu]

I'd add Rest for the Fortunate - a great read for anyone interested in doing Nyungnes.

"Rest for the Fortunate" is truly excellent!

Kirt

[zerwe]

LYWA also offer LZR's "Abiding in the Retreat" which is a compilation of teachings
serving as a commentary for the practice. FPMT also offer a manual/guidebook for performing
this ritual as well.

Shaun

[Grigoris]

So if he were referring to oneself as deity then sure.

Who else would be the deity apart from all of us?

My Nyingma (Palyul) lamas offer a Nyung Ney retreat every year and some of those participants are ngakpas so this is certainly a different POV.

I was surprised by the comment too.

[kirtu]

So if he were referring to oneself as deity then sure.

Who else would be the deity apart from all of us?

Most people do not abide in that view off the mat.
Everyone needs purification (relatively) and many people are interested in this practice.

Kirt

[Grigoris]

So if he were referring to oneself as deity then sure.

Who else would be the deity apart from all of us?

Most people do not abide in that view off the mat.
Everyone needs purification (relatively) and many people are interested in this practice.

Kirt

Indeed!

I am just offering an alternative view regarding the practice.

[Aspiring.Monk]

Is this practice something that needs empowerment before performing?

[conebeckham]

Is this practice something that needs empowerment before performing?

Ideally, yes.

With regard to the discussion---although it's common to explain Nyung Nes as a "kriya"" practice, it can be approached from a variety of views....I will not elaborate, but I will recommend Nyung Nes. This is a powerful method to accumulate merit, and a chance to develop bodhicitta--both relative and absolute.

I would also just comment re "chudlen" practice.......does that also "deprive the deity?"

[Johnny Dangerous]

Is this practice something that needs empowerment before performing?

I was under the impression (well, have been told this in Sakya) that 1000 Arm Chenrezig is empowerment needed for Nung Ne.

[kirtu]

Is this practice something that needs empowerment before performing?

I was under the impression (well, have been told this in Sakya) that 1000 Arm Chenrezig is empowerment needed for Nung Ne.

Sakya is very particular about these matters. Gelug and Nyingma basically less so. Lama Zopa has said that one just needs a Chenrezig empowerment and not specifically the 1000 Arm Chenrezig empowerment. Nyingma (at least Palyul) just says any HYT empowerment.

Kirt

[bryandavis]

Last year I spoke with a shangpa lama im California who said "without doing a few nyungnye retreats then not much benefit of practicing higher teachings."

Also curious if others here encountrred any practice in the Tibetan tradition that is really pure kriyatantra? I have personally never come across a practice of kriya that wasn't at least explained away with the view of higher yogas.

[heart]

Last year I spoke with a shangpa lama im California who said "without doing a few nyungnye retreats then not much benefit of practicing higher teachings."

Also curious if others here encountrred any practice in the Tibetan tradition that is really pure kriyatantra? I have personally never come across a practice of kriya that wasn't at least explained away with the view of higher yogas.

Nyungnye is pure kriya, just like many popular Tara practices. It emphasis cleanliness and keeping the sodjong vows.

/magnus

[pemachophel]

One of my first Teachers (Nyingma) also said something similar to Loppon Orgyen Tenzin, although Their rationale was not "depriving the Deities." This was in the very early 70s and some other Lama was offering Nyung Nay (maybe Tarthang Tulku) for the first time in the U.S. (at least that my Dharma brothers and sisters had heard of). It sounded wonderful. So we went to our Teacher and asked if we could also do it. They said it was a Kriyayoga practice and asked, "Why would you want to do a lower practice when you're already practicing Mahayoga?" The implication was that Mahayoga was more effective, quicker, more powerful. So why waste your precious time on a practice that was less effective?

Please be clear. I am not saying this Teacher's opinion is correct or that I subscribe to this opinion. I'm just mentioning it to provide a little more breadth to this thread. While this opinion is not so commonly heard, it is also not unheard of either. "Every valley has its Lama. Every Lama has his dharma."

[Harimoo]

One of my teacher linked nyung ney with higher tantras :
by fasting you become the deity who don't need to eat