Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by Caoimhghín » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:12 am

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Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:12 pm
There was a mendicant priest who drifted about from province to province like floating grass, who rolled on from district to district like tumbleweed. Before anyone realized it, he appeared on the scene and stood leaning on the pillar of the gate, smiling but saying nothing.

The unenlightened man, wondering at this, asked what he wanted. At first the priest made no reply, but after the question was repeated, he said, “The moon is dim and distant, the wind brisk and blustery.” His appearance was quite out of the ordinary and his words made no sense, but when the unenlightened man inquired about the ultimate principle behind them, he found that they represented the Zen teachings as they are expounded in the world today.
-Conversation between a Sage and Unenlightened Man

:smile:

Bustin' chops.
It amuses me because IMO the above parable can be interpreted both as a Zen fable and an anti-Zen tract, depending on how one reads it. I suppose that's Zen's schtick, though, generally.
歸命本覺心法身常住妙法心蓮臺本來莊嚴三身徳三十七尊住心
城遠離因果法然具普門塵數諸三昧無邊徳海本圓滿還我頂禮心諸佛

In reverence for the root gnosis of the heart, the dharmakāya,
for the ever present good law of the heart, the lotus terrace,
for the inborn adornment of the trikāya, the thirty-seven sages dwelling in the heart,
for that which is removed from seed and fruit, the upright key to the universal gate,
for all boundless concentrations, the sea of virtue, the root perfection,
I prostrate, bowing to the hearts of all Buddhas.

胎藏金剛菩提心義略問答鈔, Treatise on the teaching of the gnostic heart of the womb and the diamond, T2397.1.470c5-8

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by KeithA » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:18 am

Coëmgenu wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:12 am
Queequeg wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:12 pm
There was a mendicant priest who drifted about from province to province like floating grass, who rolled on from district to district like tumbleweed. Before anyone realized it, he appeared on the scene and stood leaning on the pillar of the gate, smiling but saying nothing.

The unenlightened man, wondering at this, asked what he wanted. At first the priest made no reply, but after the question was repeated, he said, “The moon is dim and distant, the wind brisk and blustery.” His appearance was quite out of the ordinary and his words made no sense, but when the unenlightened man inquired about the ultimate principle behind them, he found that they represented the Zen teachings as they are expounded in the world today.
-Conversation between a Sage and Unenlightened Man

:smile:

Bustin' chops.
It amuses me because IMO the above parable can be interpreted both as a Zen fable and an anti-Zen tract, depending on how one reads it. I suppose that's Zen's schtick, though, generally.
Haha! That's so true..I was wondering where the dig was, because I read it as the former. I guess I buy into the schtick a little too much.

Have you heard the one about a dog and Buddha nature? It's a humdinger!!

Round and round...

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by Caoimhghín » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:35 am

KeithA wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:18 am
Have you heard the one about a dog and Buddha nature? It's a humdinger!!
I actually haven't, care to share it?

The famous Zen parable of "shit on a stick" can be similarly read as either pro-Zen or anti-Zen.
歸命本覺心法身常住妙法心蓮臺本來莊嚴三身徳三十七尊住心
城遠離因果法然具普門塵數諸三昧無邊徳海本圓滿還我頂禮心諸佛

In reverence for the root gnosis of the heart, the dharmakāya,
for the ever present good law of the heart, the lotus terrace,
for the inborn adornment of the trikāya, the thirty-seven sages dwelling in the heart,
for that which is removed from seed and fruit, the upright key to the universal gate,
for all boundless concentrations, the sea of virtue, the root perfection,
I prostrate, bowing to the hearts of all Buddhas.

胎藏金剛菩提心義略問答鈔, Treatise on the teaching of the gnostic heart of the womb and the diamond, T2397.1.470c5-8

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by KeithA » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:48 am

Coëmgenu wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:35 am
KeithA wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:18 am
Have you heard the one about a dog and Buddha nature? It's a humdinger!!
I actually haven't, care to share it?

The famous Zen parable of "shit on a stick" can be similarly read as either pro-Zen or anti-Zen.
When we read something, it passes through our filter of likes and dislikes.The shit stick story is neither pro or anti anything. It is simply a question and an answer.

To stay on topic, I read the title of the thread and popped in and gave my opinion. Nichiren isn't the best path. It's one path among many. :stirthepot:

Of course, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they all stink!!
A monk asked Yunmen: "What is Buddha?"

The master replied: "Shit on a stick"
Wonderful!

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by Caoimhghín » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:23 am

KeithA wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:48 am
Of course, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they all stink!!
It's okay. Every asshole is NMHRGK.

That can also be taken as pro or anti.
歸命本覺心法身常住妙法心蓮臺本來莊嚴三身徳三十七尊住心
城遠離因果法然具普門塵數諸三昧無邊徳海本圓滿還我頂禮心諸佛

In reverence for the root gnosis of the heart, the dharmakāya,
for the ever present good law of the heart, the lotus terrace,
for the inborn adornment of the trikāya, the thirty-seven sages dwelling in the heart,
for that which is removed from seed and fruit, the upright key to the universal gate,
for all boundless concentrations, the sea of virtue, the root perfection,
I prostrate, bowing to the hearts of all Buddhas.

胎藏金剛菩提心義略問答鈔, Treatise on the teaching of the gnostic heart of the womb and the diamond, T2397.1.470c5-8

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by KeithA » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:42 am

Coëmgenu wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:23 am
KeithA wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:48 am
Of course, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they all stink!!
It's okay. Every asshole is NMHRGK.

That can also be taken as pro or anti.
Yes, yes!! Now we are getting somewhere. :smile:

I will stop now, though. I am being a bit of pill.

take care, friend.

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by Queequeg » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:51 am

KeithA wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:42 am
Coëmgenu wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:23 am
KeithA wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:48 am
Of course, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they all stink!!
It's okay. Every asshole is NMHRGK.

That can also be taken as pro or anti.
Yes, yes!! Now we are getting somewhere. :smile:

I will stop now, though. I am being a bit of pill.

take care, friend.

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Keith
Someone takes themselves way too seriously while taking cover under Cold Mountain cosplay.

Come on, man. Just leave the bit to Kanzan and Jitoku. Its not funny when a white dude in a robe tries it.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by Yavana » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:03 am

Queequeg wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:51 am
KeithA wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:42 am
Coëmgenu wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:23 am


It's okay. Every asshole is NMHRGK.

That can also be taken as pro or anti.
Yes, yes!! Now we are getting somewhere. :smile:

I will stop now, though. I am being a bit of pill.

take care, friend.

_/|\_
Keith
Someone takes themselves way too seriously while taking cover under Cold Mountain cosplay.

Come on, man. Just leave the bit to Kanzan and Jitoku. Its not funny when a white dude in a robe tries it.
We (royally) are not amused, Queechan! We are not amused!

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by Queequeg » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:06 am

Its "san." Don't infantilize me.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by Yavana » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:48 am

Queequeg wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:06 am
Its "san." Don't infantilize me.
Cherry, plum, damson, Q. One Buddha-nature. Mu! Haters gonna Wolfowitz doctrine the Nichiren forum... Mara is unnerved by the Hokkekyo.

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by narhwal90 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:12 pm

If there is Cold Mountain cosplay, I wonder what Nichiren cosplay looks like?

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Post by Queequeg » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:45 pm

Mindlessly repeating critiques found in gosho?
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta


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Post by Queequeg » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:45 pm

What's the matter? Did I brush against a cavity in that horn of yours?

People, like KeithA, intentionally stir things up, and when called out with commensurate nonsense, pivot to playing the fool to laugh it off. KeithA's problem is he didn't know when to put the motley away and kept doubling down with his Zen-trickster, shit on a stick schtick. I wouldn't go into the Zen forum to criticize this idolatry of foolishness, but if a fellow wants to play that game here, I'm going to have fun with it.

If you're going to be clever, be clever. Don't just recycle medieval poetry. That approach should be savaged. Stealing jokes is not comedy.

An actual attempt at a discussion would be welcome. Drive by opinionating is shit.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by Queequeg » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:36 pm

Its been brought to my attention that I've been a jerk.

I have been a jerk. I apologize, Narwahl. I apologize, Keith.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta


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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by KeithA » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:14 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:45 pm
What's the matter? Did I brush against a cavity in that horn of yours?

People, like KeithA, intentionally stir things up, and when called out with commensurate nonsense, pivot to playing the fool to laugh it off. KeithA's problem is he didn't know when to put the motley away and kept doubling down with his Zen-trickster, shit on a stick schtick. I wouldn't go into the Zen forum to criticize this idolatry of foolishness, but if a fellow wants to play that game here, I'm going to have fun with it.

If you're going to be clever, be clever. Don't just recycle medieval poetry. That approach should be savaged. Stealing jokes is not comedy.

An actual attempt at a discussion would be welcome. Drive by opinionating is shit.
Thanks for setting me straight, friend. I won't venture into your precious domain again. :coffee:

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by rory » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:34 am

KeithA wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:14 pm
Queequeg wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:45 pm

An actual attempt at a discussion would be welcome. Drive by opinionating is shit.
Thanks for setting me straight, friend. I won't venture into your precious domain again. :coffee:

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There is a fruitful discussion to be had about what Zhiyi found lacking in the Chan of his time
https://www.academia.edu/1092296/Chih-i ... _Chih-kuan
there is a fruitful discussion about why Nichiren and Dogen broke away from Tendai and Eisai if you wish to have it. Otherwise I suggest to everyone who posted here; do your version of compassion meditation.
gassho
Rory
Namu Kanzeon Bosatsu
Chih-I:
The Tai-ching states "the women in the realms of Mara, Sakra and Brahma all neither abandoned ( their old) bodies nor received (new) bodies. They all received buddhahood with their current bodies (genshin)" Thus these verses state that the dharma nature is like a great ocean. No right or wrong is preached (within it) Ordinary people and sages are equal, without superiority or inferiority
Paul, Groner "The Lotus Sutra in Japanese Culture"eds. Tanabe p. 58
https://www.tendai-usa.org/

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by Queequeg » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:22 pm

KeithA wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:14 pm
Thanks for setting me straight, friend. I won't venture into your precious domain again. :coffee:

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You're welcome if you want to actually discuss the Hokke tradition. All you have done is opine without any apparent interest or regard for others. Did you once actually seek anyone's opinion? No, you just harped on your own.

Thanks for the drive-by, friend.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
-Ayacana Sutta

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Re: Compared to other Buddhist sects, why is Nichiren Buddhism the best path?

Post by illarraza » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:35 am

Queequeg wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:43 pm
illarraza wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:14 am
Dharma Jim answers the question, why is the Lotus Sutra superior?...
Excellent. The Deathless.

Mark, did you write this recently? I think it might be your finest.

As a general comment, if you know Nichiren's teachings, I think one recognizes most everything here.

I have a few very minor quibbles, but all in all... Great. Excellent statement.

NMRK
Of course it's my finest. It was written by Dharma Jim :applause: :applause:

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