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Mortal Danger of CCP

Post by Nicholas Weeks » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:09 am

Too bad this group was not formed 50 or 60 years ago:

https://presentdangerchina.org/guiding-principles/
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Post by Nicholas Weeks » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:19 am

Some members speak during the Launch event:

https://presentdangerchina.org

Also at YouTube...
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Re: Mortal Danger of CCP

Post by Nicholas Weeks » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:49 pm

A little history from one of the old Soviet Present Danger Committee heads - Chet Nagle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piT8Zmuo6J4
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Re: Mortal Danger of CCP

Post by well wisher » Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:05 am

Yeah its very concerning.
For example, historical records already have Tienanmen students massacre and Falun Gong prosecutions resulting in mass murder of innocent lives.
I only hope CCP wise up in the future, and stop committing these crimes against humanity,
especially the murder and imprisonment of political dissidents.
Otherwise massive rebellion and revolutions against government oppression will be inevitable.

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Re: Mortal Danger of CCP

Post by Queequeg » Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:18 pm

Interesting links. Not sure I'm on board with the realpolitik approach, but can't really argue with it either. The US has been screwing up Asia policy for two generations and still doesn't seem to understand the game.

As long as economic growth continues for the bulk of population it seems people will be happy enough and the Communist Party will continue to roll.

If I'm the leader of an emerging country, I would take a very serious look at the Chinese model. Especially since the Americans are narcissistic basket cases and the leadership has lost the country's confidence.
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Re: Mortal Danger of CCP

Post by tingdzin » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:48 pm

Queequeg wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:18 pm
the Americans are narcissistic basket cases and the leadership has lost the country's confidence.
Well put. On the other hand, I think there is a sizeable part of the American population who sees this happening and is lookinbg for some way to counter the trend. Unfortunately some seem to have thought that Trump was someone who could do that.

I hope the CCP gets off the ground with this, but it may be too late.

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Re: Mortal Danger of CCP

Post by Grigoris » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:56 pm

Nicholas Weeks wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:49 pm
A little history from one of the old Soviet Present Danger Committee heads - Chet Nagle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piT8Zmuo6J4
While looking for "Reds under the bed" Putin was hiding in the closet the whole time. :tongue:

Anyway... The U$ is not an impediment to China, they owe China big time:

"China's maximum holding of 9.1% or $1.3 trillion of US debt occurred in 2011, subsequently reduced to 5% in 2018."

Notice how they do not give the figure in USD for the 2018 debt? You know why? Because although the percentage holding decreased, the overall debt increased. So China had a smaller share of a larger total.

To be honest though: the total has dropped this year to $1.13 trillion.

So if the U$ is any sort of impediment to China, it is because they hold $1.13 trillion of it's capital.

PS You know who else is in the top five countries that own U$ debt?

Brazil.

That explains quite a bit, doesn't it?
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Re: Mortal Danger of CCP

Post by Nemo » Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:06 pm

Super powers are always filled with brainwashed assholes who are apologists for the murderous colonialist behavior of their rulers. They know with certainty all other super powers are evil but they are the good guys. Unless we have international rule of law this will go on until the next world war.

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Re: Mortal Danger of CCP

Post by Queequeg » Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:25 pm

Nemo wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:06 pm
Super powers are always filled with brainwashed assholes who are apologists for the murderous colonialist behavior of their rulers. They know with certainty all other super powers are evil but they are the good guys. Unless we have international rule of law this will go on until the next world war.
Brainwashed?

We like to say its just the leadership that does this or that... it absolves people of their complicity, denies their agency, and ultimately, exempts "the people" from moral blameworthiness.

There is something visceral and primal in our affinities for "in groups" and distrust and disdain for "out groups". And that's what lies at the heart of competition between groups, including superpowers.

International rule of law would have to follow an expansion of "in group" identity to include all of humanity. In the past 75 years or so there was an international narrative based on human rights and rule of law - it wasn't compelling. "Dignity of the human being" (which is the basis of human rights and the international order embodied by the UN and other international organs) is not a foundation for international order, because, WTF does that even mean? The identity will need to be something deeper at the levels that religion gets into.

Maybe. IMHO.
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

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There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
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