Another Topic of molesting female practitioner
Another Topic of molesting female practitioner
Dagri Rinpoche is indeed a serial molester
Molestation with female passenger
https://www.amarujala.com/shimla/crime/ ... gra-flight
https://www.jagran.com/himachal-pradesh ... 91754.html
https://hindi.news18.com/news/himachal- ... 53835.html
Statements about Dagri Rinpoche
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... AaDv2OcXZm
Molestation with female passenger
https://www.amarujala.com/shimla/crime/ ... gra-flight
https://www.jagran.com/himachal-pradesh ... 91754.html
https://hindi.news18.com/news/himachal- ... 53835.html
Statements about Dagri Rinpoche
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... AaDv2OcXZm
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And to add on to the OP posting, as recent as last month (one may look at the date of the FB posting provided below), a Malaysian Tibetan Buddhist centre, Losang Dragpa Center (an affiliate of FPMT) posted a pinned event that features Dagri Rinpoche as an invited Dharma host for their Vesak Day based schedule and then about a day ago, their FB page was inundated with accusatory comments that aren't visible now with LDC issuing an interim statement:
We notice there has been comments and discussion on an accusation against H.E Dagri Rinpoche. As a dharma centre, we take the comments seriously and would investigate further and announce our stand in a statement later. LDC is devoted to the transmission of the Mahayana Buddhist tradition and values through teaching, meditation and community service.
May the legal due process & justice prevail
We notice there has been comments and discussion on an accusation against H.E Dagri Rinpoche. As a dharma centre, we take the comments seriously and would investigate further and announce our stand in a statement later. LDC is devoted to the transmission of the Mahayana Buddhist tradition and values through teaching, meditation and community service.
May the legal due process & justice prevail
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This is just sad. What more it will put a very bad press on FPMT which can easily be called one of the best organizations of such a type in the west. Really just sad.
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These guys need to give up on celibacy, get a Tinder app, & learn to keep their hands off the congregation—even if she initiated it. That’s the simplest answer to all these lama dramas.
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2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
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being monk is a serious thing, breaking vows might lead to misfortune states such as being a minor demon.
Btw, "Rinpoche" title is becoming a double edged sword as people are not precaucious.
Btw, "Rinpoche" title is becoming a double edged sword as people are not precaucious.
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“Monk” means celibate. “Rinpoche” does not.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:50 pm being monk is a serious thing, breaking vows might lead to misfortune states such as being a minor demon.
Btw, "Rinpoche" title is becoming a double edged sword as people are not precaucious.
For anyone that has preconceived notions about what the rinpoche title means I suggest they watch Gesar Mukpo’s documentary “Tulku”. It’s quite an eye-opener.
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
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this person seems to be a monk.smcj wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:59 pm“Monk” means celibate. “Rinpoche” does not.javier.espinoza.t wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:50 pm being monk is a serious thing, breaking vows might lead to misfortune states such as being a minor demon.
Btw, "Rinpoche" title is becoming a double edged sword as people are not precaucious.
For anyone that has preconceived notions about what the rinpoche title means I suggest they watch Gesar Mukpo’s documentary “Tulku”. It’s quite an eye-opener.
true dharma is inexpressible.
The bodhisattva nourishes from bodhicitta, through whatever method the Buddha has given him. Oh joy.
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Ugh. Whole range of emotions here from sadness to real distress. One center that is hosting Dagri Rinpoche
have posted (what would seem to be an alternate explanation) for why Dagri Rinpoche will be delayed in his schedule. I have been a FPMT practitioner/supporter for ten years and I want to see the organization do the right thing. These allegations seem credible and I don't know what to expect going forward.
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have posted (what would seem to be an alternate explanation) for why Dagri Rinpoche will be delayed in his schedule. I have been a FPMT practitioner/supporter for ten years and I want to see the organization do the right thing. These allegations seem credible and I don't know what to expect going forward.
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What makes you think so? I live with monks, nuns, and people that wear “lay robes”. The difference in clothing comes down to how the skirt is folded. I still have to look twice to see the difference.Monk” means celibate. “Rinpoche” does not.
For anyone that has preconceived notions about what the rinpoche title means I suggest they watch Gesar Mukpo’s documentary “Tulku”. It’s quite an eye-opener.this person seems to be a monk.
In this case it’s a moot point. She was a nun at the time. It’s a major no-no to seduce a nun. Plus in the #me-too era any clergy/congregant sex is classified as abuse if the congregant complains. That’s true even if the congregant initiates it and willingly participated for years. After it’s over, if they complain, it is abuse. The clergy is charged with having a “fiduciary responsibility” to make sure it doesn’t happen. The clergy alone is responsible regardless of any specifics in the relationship.
At least that’s the position of “An Olive Branch”, which has been involved with the Lama Norlha R, Sogyal R, and Sakya Mipham R scandals.
Like I said, get a Tinder app.
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
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These kinds of things happen all the time with men in powerful positions, they aren't unique to Vajrayana or even religion generally. Celibacy is not a requirement for them to happen either, obviously. lack of respect for the autonomy and dignity of women is the problem, not celibacy or some particular religious setup.
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i think so because of his robes. if a lay person wears monk's robes, that isn't good at all, that's deceiving.smcj wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 6:29 pmWhat makes you think so? I live with monks, nuns, and people that wear “lay robes”. The difference in clothing comes down to how the skirt is folded. I still have to look twice to see the difference.Monk” means celibate. “Rinpoche” does not.
For anyone that has preconceived notions about what the rinpoche title means I suggest they watch Gesar Mukpo’s documentary “Tulku”. It’s quite an eye-opener.this person seems to be a monk.
In this case it’s a moot point. She was a nun at the time. It’s a major no-no to seduce a nun. Plus in the #me-too era any clergy/congregant sex is classified as abuse if the congregant complains. That’s true even if the congregant initiates it and willingly participated for years. After it’s over, if they complain, it is abuse. The clergy is charged with having a “fiduciary responsibility” to make sure it doesn’t happen. The clergy alone is responsible regardless of any specifics in the relationship.
At least that’s the position of “An Olive Branch”, which has been involved with the Lama Norlha R, Sogyal R, and Sakya Mipham R scandals.
Like I said, get a Tinder app.
i don't blame a priori, we should see how this news develops.
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Con you tell the difference between monk’s robes and “lay robes”?I think so because of his robes. if a lay person wears monk's robes, that isn't good at all, that's deceiving.
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
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Dharma As A Business(DAAB) is the new model. but sexual exploitation is widespread and wrecking the brand. If that gets wrecked the business is dead. There is lots of room for Tantric magicians and yogis, even ones who practice sexual tantra. Daoists have done this for millennia. Having their cake and eating it too is not working. You can't be a monastic(to take donations) and be sexually active. Creepy unattractive midgets need to stop using rank in a hierarchy and psychological manipulation to get laid. They are so common Tibetan Buddhism is looking like a scam. It makes me wonder how "enlightened" these individuals are if they are so desperate to get laid they cannot even be discrete.
It's sad these teachers did not admit who they were. Many years ago my Teacher asked after a decent retreat if I thought I could teach meditation since I had passed certain tests. I had to answer him honestly. "No Rinpoche, I would bang all my students."
It's sad these teachers did not admit who they were. Many years ago my Teacher asked after a decent retreat if I thought I could teach meditation since I had passed certain tests. I had to answer him honestly. "No Rinpoche, I would bang all my students."
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Dagri Rinpoche is a monk and was my ordination master when I took novice vows. He was one of the 10 fullly ordained monks that are required to be present for the recent ordinations given in McLeod Ganj by His Holiness.
His Holiness always suggests that lay teachers should not wear clothing that might make someone think they are ordained when they are not. The young Serkong Rinpoche is a good example of a suitable approach in that regard:
Underneath this, he normally wears a shirt and jeans.
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I’m going to guess you’re not a Nyingmapa.You can't be a monastic(to take donations) and be sexually active.
What say you to all the happy marriages between lamas and their students? A blanket condemnation of them too? Of course not.Creepy unattractive midgets need to stop using rank in a hierarchy and psychological manipulation to get laid.
Bottom line is it’s too complicated and messy to sort things out on a case by case basis. So the new rule has to be; don’t touch the students. It simply isn’t manageable any other way.
Like I said, have them give back their vows, get a Tinder app, & tell them to stay away from their students.
Simple.
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1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
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You have someone particular in mind? Most Tibetan monks I've met are taller than me including Dagri Rinpoche and I've never been called a midget. Short maybe, but not a midget (I'm around 5'8" in the morning and 5'7" by nightfall ).
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My mistake. Land of Joy's announcement regarding their programme with Dagri Rinpoche was posted on April, 1. However, it does sound as though some centers have had the opportunity to speak up and have not at this time. If the accusations are indeed credible this is disappointing.zerwe wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 6:13 pm Ugh. Whole range of emotions here from sadness to real distress. One center that is hosting Dagri Rinpoche
have posted (what would seem to be an alternate explanation) for why Dagri Rinpoche will be delayed in his schedule. I have been a FPMT practitioner/supporter for ten years and I want to see the organization do the right thing. These allegations seem credible and I don't know what to expect going forward.
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My point is simply about being a hypocrite. Don't pretend to be a monk and carelessly bang randoms on the side. Especially if it seems you only want to publicly have vows to make a living. I know a few Lama marriages full of infidelity, betrayal and anger as well. The problem is using rank and psychological manipulation. Generally by the dudes who never had game to begin with. A young consort is wonderful for your health and practice. A truly monumental blessing. One that needs respect, enthusiastic consent and discretion. A good consort can easily prolong the life of a teacher by decades even.smcj wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:04 pmI’m going to guess you’re not a Nyingmapa.You can't be a monastic(to take donations) and be sexually active.
What say you to all the happy marriages between lamas and their students? A blanket condemnation of them too? Of course not.Creepy unattractive midgets need to stop using rank in a hierarchy and psychological manipulation to get laid.
Bottom line is it’s too complicated and messy to sort things out on a case by case basis. So the new rule has to be; don’t touch the students. It simply isn’t manageable any other way.
Like I said, have them give back their vows, get a Tinder app, & tell them to stay away from their students.
Simple.
Telling girls to lay on the floor or bend over is not foreplay. Tricks like locking them alone in rooms and invading their personal space, threats, manipulation, lying, etc, etc,... The deluge of creepy behavior coming out lately is severely damaging the Dharma. We will become a joke like Catholic priests.
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Okay, so your suggestion is...?My point is simply about being a hypocrite. Don't pretend to be a monk and carelessly bang randoms on the side. Especially if it seems you only want to publicly have vows to make a living. I know a few Lama marriages full of infidelity, betrayal and anger as well. The problem is using rank and psychological manipulation. Generally by the dudes who never had game to begin with. A young consort is wonderful for your health and practice. A truly monumental blessing. One that needs respect, enthusiastic consent and discretion. A good consort can easily prolong the life of a teacher by decades even.
Telling girls to lay on the floor or bend over is not foreplay. Tricks like locking them alone in rooms and invading their personal space, threats, manipulation, lying, etc, etc,... The deluge of creepy behavior coming out lately is severely damaging the Dharma. We will become a joke like Catholic priests.
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
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Not treating women like shit or props maybe? I know it's a crazy radical notion, but it might just be connected to what's going on here.smcj wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 10:12 pmOkay, so your suggestion is...?My point is simply about being a hypocrite. Don't pretend to be a monk and carelessly bang randoms on the side. Especially if it seems you only want to publicly have vows to make a living. I know a few Lama marriages full of infidelity, betrayal and anger as well. The problem is using rank and psychological manipulation. Generally by the dudes who never had game to begin with. A young consort is wonderful for your health and practice. A truly monumental blessing. One that needs respect, enthusiastic consent and discretion. A good consort can easily prolong the life of a teacher by decades even.
Telling girls to lay on the floor or bend over is not foreplay. Tricks like locking them alone in rooms and invading their personal space, threats, manipulation, lying, etc, etc,... The deluge of creepy behavior coming out lately is severely damaging the Dharma. We will become a joke like Catholic priests.
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