seeker242 wrote: ↑
Tue May 14, 2019 6:06 pm
Dechen Norbu wrote: ↑
Tue May 14, 2019 5:56 pm
seeker242 wrote: ↑
Tue May 14, 2019 5:51 pm
Yea, and Bill Nye, who is not even a vegetarian himself, is doing the same secret agenda thing. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.
For the last time... as I wrote above, if you were a meat eater saying this I wouldn't have said you had an agenda. But as your most active topic is "the great vegetarian debate", where you advocate vegetarianism, and by your recent display in this very thread, I'm pretty confident you made my point about the problem of mixing agendas with climate change crystal clear.
Which is the very definition of "ad hominem", and therefore illogical and unreasonable, and therefore irrelevant. The topic is about climate change, it's causes and what can be done about it. Why the planet is on fire, and what can be done about it, is most certainly related to the fact that it's on fire. To suggest otherwise is completely ridiculous.
No, it's not ad hominem. Ad hominem would be me saying you were stupid or attacking you. Please understand that I'm not. Most likely you are a vegetarian out of compassion. That is wonderful. Why I think some people benefit more from other diets is another matter. So power to you and I'm very glad you try to lessen the suffering of other beings.
If everyone became vegetarian would it help the planet? As far as I can see, yes, definitively. Is this likely to happen in the near future? Not by a long shot. It's unfortunate? It is.
The climate change debate is hard as it is. For changes to happen, the role of public opinion is very important. This is what, in the end, puts people in the necessary positions to do something about it. There's a lot of people who don't want such changes to happen. The needed research that has to be done so that we get out of this mess costs millions and it will be political power to determine if such funds are allocated for such ends.
You don't swing public opinion in your favor by, on top of every accommodations they'll have to do, saying they will have to drastically change their diet, especially in countries where people see no problem whatsoever in eating meat. You'll simply create resistance. Opposing forces win and you can kiss good bye to the so much need funding for what really matters.
It's a matter of choosing battles to win the war. The problem with people with agendas is that they tend to lose perspective and choose poorly. It's a risk we can't afford to take. So don't use climate changes theory to promote anything other than itself. Don't use it to promote vegetarianism, even knowing it would help, because that is a battle you'll lose and overall you'll be doing more harm than good in this particular case.