Tendai initiation

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Tendai initiation

Post by Kajmak383 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:05 pm

Hello everybody,

I hope everything’s fine with you.
Who could explain me how Tendai initiations (both lay and monastic) are carried out? I’ve already seen the major Tendai websites about this topic, but they didn’t seem to be fully comprehensive. Does the seat temple Enryakuji have an official ritual for this purpose?

BTW, I’m not interested in converting at the moment, I only wanted to get information about it.

Thank you all and let’s pray for the victims of Coronavirus,

Kajmak

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Re: Tendai initiation

Post by Queequeg » Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:26 pm

You could ask Rev. Ryoei Tyler:

https://www.tendai-usa.org/contact
Those who, even with distracted minds,
Entered a stupa compound
And chanted but once, “Namo Buddhaya!”
Have certainly attained the path of the buddhas.

-Lotus Sutra, Expedient Means Chapter

There are beings with little dust in their eyes who are falling away because they do not hear the Dhamma. There will be those who will understand the Dhamma.
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Re: Tendai initiation

Post by Seishin » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:57 am

What sort of initiation are you thinking of? Are you taking about vows and becoming a disciple, or are you talking about empowerments?

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Re: Tendai initiation

Post by Kajmak383 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:12 pm

Seishin wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:57 am
Are you taking about vows and becoming a disciple
That one. Sorry, I haven't been precise about it.

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Re: Tendai initiation

Post by Seishin » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:09 pm

The ritual and etiquette for taking lay vows is down to the particular teacher/priest. The vows are, of course, standard. With taking ordination, there is a set process and ritual etiquette, but again each temple may have their own specific ritual. Typically a newly ordained student would take the 10 bodhisattva precepts.

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Re: Tendai initiation

Post by Kajmak383 » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:05 pm

Seishin wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:09 pm
The ritual and etiquette for taking lay vows is down to the particular teacher/priest. The vows are, of course, standard.
So, from what I understand: The ritual etiquette and gestures depends on the temple you attend. But the vows are the same in all Tendai temples. So,which are they? Taking refuge, the five precepts, bodhisattva precepts or something else?

Thanks for your reply,

Kajmak

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Re: Tendai initiation

Post by Seishin » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:35 am

Yes, refuge, the 5 lay vows and the Bodhisattva Vows.

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Re: Tendai initiation

Post by Kajmak383 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:47 pm

Seishin wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:35 am
Yes, refuge, the 5 lay vows and the Bodhisattva Vows.
I have another question. Do laypeople only take the 5 lay vows or they take the 10 Bodhisattva Vows too? And do you have to take them both or can you “choose” which you prefer?

Thank you very much, Seishin!

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Re: Tendai initiation

Post by Seishin » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:41 pm

Generally speaking lay people only take 5, although it's not impossible to take 10 as a lay person. But its usually only for your initial ordination as a priest.

And no, we don't pick and choose which vows to follow.

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Re: Tendai initiation

Post by Kajmak383 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:16 pm

Thank you very much for your explanation Seishin :anjali:

Kajmak

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