Wall Gazing

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Wall Gazing

Post by ananda » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:58 am

You ever tried it before ?
What are your thoughts on it as a meditation ?
"Suffer what there is to suffer, enjoy what there is to enjoy. Regard both suffering and joy as facts of life, and continue chanting Namu-myoho-renge-kyo. no matter what happens. How could this be anything other than the boundless joy of the Law? Strengthen your power of faith more than ever." - Nichiren Daishonin

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Re: Wall Gazing

Post by Astus » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:04 am

What do you mean by "wall gazing"?
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.


1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"

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Re: Wall Gazing

Post by ananda » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:31 am

Wall Gazing as in meditating by gazing at a wall. Like how Bodhidharma is said to have done for several years.
"Suffer what there is to suffer, enjoy what there is to enjoy. Regard both suffering and joy as facts of life, and continue chanting Namu-myoho-renge-kyo. no matter what happens. How could this be anything other than the boundless joy of the Law? Strengthen your power of faith more than ever." - Nichiren Daishonin

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Re: Wall Gazing

Post by Astus » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:44 am

In Bodhidharma's case "wall gazing" likely meant not a physical posture but maintaining the mind like a wall, that is, without discrimination or attachment to emotions and ideas.
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.


1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"

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Re: Wall Gazing

Post by Seishin » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:49 pm

What is it called when people meditate facing a wall?

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Re: Wall Gazing

Post by Astus » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:57 pm

There is "wall contemplation" (biguan 壁觀) and there is "facing the wall" (mianbi 面壁). In Bodhidharma's story the two becomes the same eventually. As for why in Soto Zen they rather sit facing the wall and how they call it, I do not know.
1 Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

2 If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

3 Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

4 With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.


1 Huangbo, T2012Ap381c1 2 Nirvana Sutra, T374p521b3; tr. Yamamoto 3 Mazu, X1321p3b23; tr. J. Jia 4 Yongjia, T2014p395c14; tr. from "The Sword of Wisdom"

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Re: Wall Gazing

Post by Malcolm » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:58 pm

Astus wrote:There is "wall contemplation" (biguan 壁觀) and there is "facing the wall" (mianbi 面壁). In Bodhidharma's story the two becomes the same eventually. As for why in Soto Zen they rather sit facing the wall and how they call it, I do not know.

When translated into Tibetan, "faced a wall" was translated as "faced reality".
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Re: Wall Gazing

Post by DGA » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:45 pm

ananda wrote:You ever tried it before ?
What are your thoughts on it as a meditation ?
It's a way to practice. Some find it helpful. I didn't find it contributed particularly myself, anymore than not facing a wall.

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Re: Wall Gazing

Post by Thomas Amundsen » Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:02 am

ananda wrote:You ever tried it before ?
What are your thoughts on it as a meditation ?
Yea, I've done a WHOLE LOT of this. This is how we sit in Soto Zen practice.

What are my thoughts on it??? That's a tough question. In short, I'd say it's easier to ensure you don't get distracted with your thoughts.

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