Eyes
Eyes
Throughout the course of the evening, I do a few different meditations. One I do with eyes partially open.
However, I sometimes need to blink when doing this, and this is distracting. Also, how wide open my eyes are becomes the focus of my mediatation. Any advice?
Thank you,
Steve
However, I sometimes need to blink when doing this, and this is distracting. Also, how wide open my eyes are becomes the focus of my mediatation. Any advice?
Thank you,
Steve
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It's not so bad if they do. But it's really distracting if the cat starts playing with them.SteveP wrote:I'm glad, can't have them falling out.catmoon wrote: Eventually the eyes sort of settle in.
Goodness, how will you meditate if you are busy hoping and persevering? Sure, that sounds silly, but there is a subtle point.
Thanks for the advice, I will persevere and hope the distraction goes.
Steve
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It took me a year and a half of trying to meditate with my eyes open experiencing difficulty (with having also learned all the instructions) until I figured out what to do. And that was that I had to learn how to relax completely before engaging with any object or implementing any of the instructions. And I am still just doing that right now. If I keep going there will eventually be a point where my mind and body are completely relaxed and I will be able to do analytical meditation or focus on the object. As of right now it is merely sitting in the posture with eyes half open and relaxing. Very nice actually and as my mind and body become more relaxed and subtle my mind should easily be able to pick up on the object when it is ready.
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It takes a while for my mind to calm down, sometimes ten minutes. I cannot hold an object at all, although everyday I spend a while trying to do so. My concentration bounces about rapidly...bloomin attention defecit.
However, I can contemplate quite well. I read some dharma and then I contemplate it for a 25 min session. I repeat the mediatation day after day, and it does allow me to become more familiar with the concepts.
The compasion meditataion I have found very effective, and I more instinctively respond to others with a good motivation.
However, at the moment, the idea of my mind concentrating on my breath isn't possible, even after 6 months of trying. I dont try to force it, there is no rush, everytime I meditate it helps, unless I am very tired.
However, I can contemplate quite well. I read some dharma and then I contemplate it for a 25 min session. I repeat the mediatation day after day, and it does allow me to become more familiar with the concepts.
The compasion meditataion I have found very effective, and I more instinctively respond to others with a good motivation.
However, at the moment, the idea of my mind concentrating on my breath isn't possible, even after 6 months of trying. I dont try to force it, there is no rush, everytime I meditate it helps, unless I am very tired.
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That's varies according to tradition. I'd suggest experimenting a bit, or even better find a meditation teacher.SteveP wrote:Also, how wide open my eyes are becomes the focus of my mediatation. Any advice?
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Try this:
"SSSHHHHhhhhhhh!!! wait ! listen! do you hear that?"
--have you ever heard somebody say this? it means that there is a strange, very faint sound, so you have to be really quiet to hear it.
So, do that. Listen for a very faint sound.
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while doing this, instead of actually trying to find a faint sound, just become aware of what your EYES are doing. they are open, and they see, but because your mind is focused on your hearing, at that moment you are not actually looking.
This takes a few tries. But it is effective. Focus on hearing but be aware of what your eyes are "doing". Not what they are "seeing" but what they are "doing".
This method, of putting you attention on hearing, is one way of working through the visual distractions of the mind.
The Surangama Sutra that talks about hearing.
Another way to do this is to be aware of what is going on in your peripheral vision, sort of what is seen at the edge of your eyes.
the point is to take the mind off the visual input.
For focusing on breathing, try counting the breaths up to 5 or 10 or 21 and then starting over.
Thai monks also suggest on the in breath think "Bhu" and on the out breath think "dho" so you are basically thinking "Buddha".
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"SSSHHHHhhhhhhh!!! wait ! listen! do you hear that?"
--have you ever heard somebody say this? it means that there is a strange, very faint sound, so you have to be really quiet to hear it.
So, do that. Listen for a very faint sound.
BUT
while doing this, instead of actually trying to find a faint sound, just become aware of what your EYES are doing. they are open, and they see, but because your mind is focused on your hearing, at that moment you are not actually looking.
This takes a few tries. But it is effective. Focus on hearing but be aware of what your eyes are "doing". Not what they are "seeing" but what they are "doing".
This method, of putting you attention on hearing, is one way of working through the visual distractions of the mind.
The Surangama Sutra that talks about hearing.
Another way to do this is to be aware of what is going on in your peripheral vision, sort of what is seen at the edge of your eyes.
the point is to take the mind off the visual input.
For focusing on breathing, try counting the breaths up to 5 or 10 or 21 and then starting over.
Thai monks also suggest on the in breath think "Bhu" and on the out breath think "dho" so you are basically thinking "Buddha".
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EMPTIFUL.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
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Here's an interesting question - well, interesting to me at least. When meditating with eyes open or part open, one isn't looking at anything, right? So does than mean the eyes should be defocussed and seeing double? I find that if the eyes are really relaxed, the effort that goes into focussing and tracking objects ceases and guess what happens?
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Yes, the visual stimulus fades and is no longer significant. Personally I find noise to be more distracting anyway.catmoon wrote:I find that if the eyes are really relaxed, the effort that goes into focussing and tracking objects ceases and guess what happens?
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focus on the empty space between the surface of your eyes and whatever the object is in front of you.catmoon wrote:Here's an interesting question - well, interesting to me at least. When meditating with eyes open or part open, one isn't looking at anything, right? So does than mean the eyes should be defocussed and seeing double? I find that if the eyes are really relaxed, the effort that goes into focussing and tracking objects ceases and guess what happens?
EMPTIFUL.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
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Thank you for all the useful information.
My problem remains the same, and that is that my object moves and switches erratically from one thing to another, thanks to attention defecit and OCD.
At the moment, I am just accepting my situation and I try to enjoy whatever mediatation I can manage. Otherwise I will become frustrated.
Love Steve X
My problem remains the same, and that is that my object moves and switches erratically from one thing to another, thanks to attention defecit and OCD.
At the moment, I am just accepting my situation and I try to enjoy whatever mediatation I can manage. Otherwise I will become frustrated.
Love Steve X
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If you can bring your mind to stillness, then watch the stillness.SteveP wrote:Thank you for all the useful information.
My problem remains the same, and that is that my object moves and switches erratically from one thing to another, thanks to attention defecit and OCD.
At the moment, I am just accepting my situation and I try to enjoy whatever mediatation I can manage. Otherwise I will become frustrated.
Love Steve X
if your mind keeps moving, then just watch your mind move.
As along as you are watching what your mind is doing, this is a good start.
You might want to look at a book called Vivid Awareness: The Mind Instructions of Khenpo Gangshar
it is a teaching about letting the mind rest naturally in whatever it is doing.
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EMPTIFUL.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
An inward outlook produces outward insight.
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In case anyone hasn't bought it yet, this is, in my opinion, one of the best meditation texts in the English language.PadmaVonSamba wrote: You might want to look at a book called Vivid Awareness: The Mind Instructions of Khenpo Gangshar
it is a teaching about letting the mind rest naturally in whatever it is doing.
Look at the unfathomable spinelessness of man: all the means he's been given to stay alert he uses, in the end, to ornament his sleep. – Rene Daumal
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell
the modern mind has become so limited and single-visioned that it has lost touch with normal perception - John Michell
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Perhaps I should clarify, as it isn't right for me to expect people to understand.PadmaVonSamba wrote:If you can bring your mind to stillness, then watch the stillness.SteveP wrote:Thank you for all the useful information.
My problem remains the same, and that is that my object moves and switches erratically from one thing to another, thanks to attention defecit and OCD.
At the moment, I am just accepting my situation and I try to enjoy whatever mediatation I can manage. Otherwise I will become frustrated.
Love Steve X
if your mind keeps moving, then just watch your mind move.
As along as you are watching what your mind is doing, this is a good start.
You might want to look at a book called Vivid Awareness: The Mind Instructions of Khenpo Gangshar
it is a teaching about letting the mind rest naturally in whatever it is doing.
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My mind moves about in symetrical patterns..I have intrussive thoughts and almost visual repetetive mind movements. To focus on them would be increadibly anxity provoking, to allow them without attaching anxiety, I think is the key, but it is still very, very difficult.
My mind doesnt work normally, which is why it is a dissorder.
Never mind, if I let it bother me it will only get worse instead of better.
Thank you for all the kind repsonses.
Steve XX
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It is said that if one chooses to meditate with eyes open that one should focus on the tip of the nose.
Westerners have longer noses.
Seriously, the distraction from eyes and ears, legs and back soon fades enough to register the far more intrusive distractions within the mind itself.
I'm still not sure to what extent distractions are brain-led or mind-led, creative or reactive, but I do know that the more 'I' 'try' tthe less effective I become.
Westerners have longer noses.
Seriously, the distraction from eyes and ears, legs and back soon fades enough to register the far more intrusive distractions within the mind itself.
I'm still not sure to what extent distractions are brain-led or mind-led, creative or reactive, but I do know that the more 'I' 'try' tthe less effective I become.
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