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Nicholas Weeks
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Niyamas

Post by Nicholas Weeks » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:06 am

Has this idea shown up in the Agamas or any Mahayana teaching? The niyamas (orders) are five and only one of them is karma.

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Re: Niyamas

Post by Huifeng » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:18 am

Will wrote:Has this idea shown up in the Agamas or any Mahayana teaching? The niyamas (orders) are five and only one of them is karma.

http://www.dhammaweb.net/html/view.php?id=5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Good question. While some people rather rashly claim these as "Buddhism teaches ...." simply because it is a Theravadin teaching, it's worth noting that it is rather late even in the Theravada. I have never seen any mention of them, or anything even close, in other schools (eg. of the so-called 18 schools; so this includes the Agamas) or Mahayana teachings. Though, would be interested in any clues that they may be there.

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Re: Niyamas

Post by plwk » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:19 am

Well, the only one of the 5 I have seen a scriptural citation is Dhamma-niyama Sutta: The Discourse on the Orderliness of the Dhamma... I am sure there's an Agamic parallel to this... and from the sister site discussion...

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Re: Niyamas

Post by Nicholas Weeks » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:32 pm

Further down in the linked text the Mahathera mentions various suttas that the commentators used to put together this 5-fold niyama system. He also said it was done mainly to refute the creator-god notion.

Why the authority of this niyama scheme should be questioned as fully "Buddhist" puzzles me. Mahayana is chock full of texts by Nagarjuna, Dharmakirti, Asanga et al, which are accepted as the simple unpacking or organizing of Buddha's teachings. So why not give these non-Mahayana commentators the same respect?
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