Andrew108 wrote:It's a rant so I don't think I need evidence.
In which case prepare to have it decimated on the basis of evidence.
It came into being as a result of conflict more than as a result of the realization of it's leader.
Quite the contrary, it came about when Ole and Hannah (after first meeting and becoming students of Lopon Tsechu Rinpoche) met and became students of the 16th Karmapa in 1969, three years later the 16th Karmapa "asked" Ole and Hannah to start meditation centres in his name in the West. This is verified by sources that support (Ole himself) and criticise (Erik Curren) DW. So where is the conflict that gave birth to DW?
It aims to offer an alternative but you wonder why the alternative is required.
For all the reasons outlined over the past three pages of discussion. But, really, what do you mean by alternative? It is not an alternative, it is more an adjunct than an alternative.
It is a harmful organization in terms of the Kagyu lineage...
How can it possibly harm the Kagyu lineage when its role seems to be that of drawing people towards the Kagyu lineage by acting essentially as a "halfway house" between no practice at all and strictly traditional practice?.
...and I if it faded away tomorrow it's loss wouldn't really be mourned.
I am sure that the thousands of people that study and practice in DW may mourn its loss.
It has no intrinsic value as it's not by itself a lineage
Neither is Bodhi Path, nor Vajradhatu, nor Pathgate, ad nauseum...
I think that it is cultish and unnecessary. It's the organization of egotist and not a realized practitioner.
Yes, well, I think you may find that even traditionally trained teachers with some degree of realisation are quite capable of being tarred with the same brush, wouldn't you say?
I feel sorry for those who get involved. I've met many of them at retreats and they seem very nervous, anxious types. It's a sad situation.
Nervous and anxious? Like arriving unannounced in the middle of a conversation, cutting the cheese and then grinning stupidly when asked to explain oneself? That type of nervous and anxious?